Help me plan!
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Re: Help me plan!
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Oh, and I'd like to post a second, and HUGE, thank you to Bill for coming up with that itinerary. My girl was in (a very pleasant state of) shock that someone would take the time to compose something as detailed as that for someone they didn't even know.
It just went to proove to her how right I am when I tell her what a great group of people the regular contributors to this board are.
Your input is very much appreciated!!!
It just went to proove to her how right I am when I tell her what a great group of people the regular contributors to this board are.
Your input is very much appreciated!!!
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SSSdave wrote:DP >>>"...I've been to some of these places myself, and reallly want to give my lady a nice taste of some of my favorite places in the high sierras. "
Are you kidding? That has to be one of most impossible "I'd like to visit" High Sierra itinerary's I've ever seen posted especially if a prime intent is showing a wife or gal friend that seems to read like she hasn't done that kind of thing. Way too ambitious unless you are both endurance atheletes, strong peak baggers, and backpackers.
*slightly snarky original reply deleted*
As I stated in my original post. Her experience/fitness level is high (4). I'm not sure where you got this whole "read(s) like she hasn't done that kind of thing" idea. my gal has not spent much time in the high sierras , but that in no means suggests she is not an experienced backpacker, peakbagger, or fit. While one could spend a lifetime exploring the Sierra Nevada, it's important to remember they are not the only mountain range in the world
My personal experience comes from the sierras, and I'd like to share some of the places that have been special treats for me over the years with someone who enjoys the same type of challenges I do. I wouldn't have suggested anything she couldnt handle. The bigger question is if I can keep up with HER despite the fact I've been to many of those places.
So please, keep the ambitions ideas coming!!! I love 'em, and she (and hopefully I) can handle them.
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Re: Help me plan!
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SSSdave's response is based on years of experience (as is Bill's, maverick's, and my own) not only in the backcountry but also reading posts and advising folks and having people tell us, after the fact that we were right. Some portions of these routes are quite challenging and distances traveled are deceiving. My sense is that the less ambitious itinerary I proposed provides for the opportunity to really fish, peakbag, and do some exploring without a pack. And if into the trip you want to do more--you can--after exploring the Great Western divide and dropping over the Kings-Kern divide into the Kern you can do as much or as little as you want in the Upper Kern region--a great place to make your adjustments.
Mike
SSSdave's response is based on years of experience (as is Bill's, maverick's, and my own) not only in the backcountry but also reading posts and advising folks and having people tell us, after the fact that we were right. Some portions of these routes are quite challenging and distances traveled are deceiving. My sense is that the less ambitious itinerary I proposed provides for the opportunity to really fish, peakbag, and do some exploring without a pack. And if into the trip you want to do more--you can--after exploring the Great Western divide and dropping over the Kings-Kern divide into the Kern you can do as much or as little as you want in the Upper Kern region--a great place to make your adjustments.
Mike
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Who can't do everything he used to and what he can do takes a hell of a lot longer!
Who can't do everything he used to and what he can do takes a hell of a lot longer!
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Re: Help me plan!
DP >>>"Backpacking experience: level 4DavePloessel= wrote:...As I stated in my original post. Her experience/fitness level is high (4). I'm not sure where you got this whole "read(s) like she hasn't done that kind of thing" idea. my gal has not spent much time in the high sierras , but that in no means suggests she is not an experienced backpacker, peakbagger, or fit...
Terrain: I'm pretty much comfortable with everything, but I'd like to avoid anything technical on this trip as I will have a less experienced climber..."
Your intent may have been to inform that she was also at level 4 but most reading that might assume you were relating your own skills as an opening statement for comments and merely mentioning you were bringing along someone else that to the audience is vaguely of "less experienced skills". Then lower down in the thread on your second post you mention it is your gal friend and that she is positive with sehiker's input.
I didn't assume she was not capable of handling a strenuous trip and that is why I added "unless you are both endurance atheletes, strong peak baggers, and backpackers." However if indeed she did not have such skill my input reflected an honest reaction to serve purpose of getting attention though I might have posed such with less bite. That you did not explicitly explain her skills raised the classis flag of a young twentysomething climber or backpacker that decides to show someone important to them what they are so impressed with without a reasonable assessment of how the other person might cope. Stories of novice friends being unintentionally subjected to various levels of over ambitious itinerary death marches are of course myriad.
There are considerable postings on the Internet especially on informal web boards that tend to be rather vague and terse regarding adequately explaining what a person's intent is. We all do it to some extent during all manner of communications including this person mostly as a result of often being terse though some people tend to do so rather consistently regardless of whether they are doing so with close friends or strangers in the public. On board threads once confusion over intent occurs, people usually clarify what they actually meant and all proceeds continuing on in a thread. Your few inputs herein have been more informational than average so I consider the confusion just another trivial instance of vague and terse so tis no big deal and best of luck on whatever trip you two decide to take on.
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Dave - you are right on quite a few counts there.
One reason I haven't posted much here is I don't want to repeat stuff many of you have already posted. That paired with my lack of introducing myself accounts for the lions share of my intent and experience being misgauged. I can see how many past experiences of overambitions people setting themselves up for no fun can add to that.
I never really introduced myself on here, so a little more about me:
While not "old" I'm not particularily young either. Approaching 40 I find that I'm in a good spot where I've been doing this long enough (been hiking/camping/fishing with the family since I was tiny) that I know what I'm doing and still have most of the physical abilities I did in my "prime". I dabble in triathlons, freedive, climb, and mountaineer. My current pet project is doing solo winter ascents of all of the ca 14ers and then taking a naked self portrait on the summit. As far as I know, no one has ever done that before. I'll probably make a coffee table book out of it and call it high exposure, assents, or something like that. My most recent bag was tyndall in feb via shepherds, and I got most of the way up williamson on the same trip before I got off route, had to downclimb about a 1000 feet or so, decided I was tired and bailed. Probably my favorite climb so far was a a solo up sill via the swiss arete last spring. This summer I'm hoping to do the long twisting rib so that I can bag Williamson via that route next winter.
As far as backpacking trips, I get in a dozen or so 3-4 day trips and try and do a couple week long trips a year. Primarily in Los Padres NF when I go coastal, or eastside when I go sierras. I'm a big fan ogf the seki area, but also spend a fair amount of time in the GTW as it's closer to me down here in San Diego. Mileage varies from 3 miles a day up to 30+ depending on the intent of the trip.
Climbing: I'm fairly comfy up to 5.10ish, but these days I find prefer more leisurly/easy stuff with big exposure for the views. Done a little bit of glacier travel, and I also like to snowboard back down the 14ers I climb.
One reason I haven't posted much here is I don't want to repeat stuff many of you have already posted. That paired with my lack of introducing myself accounts for the lions share of my intent and experience being misgauged. I can see how many past experiences of overambitions people setting themselves up for no fun can add to that.
I never really introduced myself on here, so a little more about me:
While not "old" I'm not particularily young either. Approaching 40 I find that I'm in a good spot where I've been doing this long enough (been hiking/camping/fishing with the family since I was tiny) that I know what I'm doing and still have most of the physical abilities I did in my "prime". I dabble in triathlons, freedive, climb, and mountaineer. My current pet project is doing solo winter ascents of all of the ca 14ers and then taking a naked self portrait on the summit. As far as I know, no one has ever done that before. I'll probably make a coffee table book out of it and call it high exposure, assents, or something like that. My most recent bag was tyndall in feb via shepherds, and I got most of the way up williamson on the same trip before I got off route, had to downclimb about a 1000 feet or so, decided I was tired and bailed. Probably my favorite climb so far was a a solo up sill via the swiss arete last spring. This summer I'm hoping to do the long twisting rib so that I can bag Williamson via that route next winter.
As far as backpacking trips, I get in a dozen or so 3-4 day trips and try and do a couple week long trips a year. Primarily in Los Padres NF when I go coastal, or eastside when I go sierras. I'm a big fan ogf the seki area, but also spend a fair amount of time in the GTW as it's closer to me down here in San Diego. Mileage varies from 3 miles a day up to 30+ depending on the intent of the trip.
Climbing: I'm fairly comfy up to 5.10ish, but these days I find prefer more leisurly/easy stuff with big exposure for the views. Done a little bit of glacier travel, and I also like to snowboard back down the 14ers I climb.
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Re: Help me plan!
Why not ask everyone here to come up with a title for the book, would love to see theDave wrote:
My current pet project is doing solo winter ascents of all of the ca 14ers and then
taking a naked self portrait on the summit. As far as I know, no one has ever done
that before. I'll probably make a coffee table book out of it and call it high exposure,
assents, or something like that.
creative input folks here in HST would have! My contribution "Pinnacles".
PS If it became a best seller I want a percentage for coming up with the idea for how
you got the title.
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I don't give out specific route information, my belief is that it takes away from the whole adventure spirit of a trip, if you need every inch planned out, you'll have to get that from someone else.
Have a safer backcountry experience by using the HST ReConn Form 2.0, named after Larry Conn, a HST member: http://reconn.org
I don't give out specific route information, my belief is that it takes away from the whole adventure spirit of a trip, if you need every inch planned out, you'll have to get that from someone else.
Have a safer backcountry experience by using the HST ReConn Form 2.0, named after Larry Conn, a HST member: http://reconn.org
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The title of this post should be "Help Me Pain!"
Dave, the areas you mention are all terrific and I understand why you'd want to share them with your girlfriend. However, Bill's proposed itinerary would have you rushing through areas that are best enjoyed over a period of days, not hours. It would feel like a Bob Burd death march and by mid trip you'd be beaten to a pulp. Why not select an east-side loop this year and then come back next year and do a west-side loop? The truth is, there are magical places throughout the Sierra and no way to visit them all in one season -- just ask Rogue, who has spent his last few summers roaming the backcountry and is gearing up once again for a 100+ day hike this year.
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Dave, the areas you mention are all terrific and I understand why you'd want to share them with your girlfriend. However, Bill's proposed itinerary would have you rushing through areas that are best enjoyed over a period of days, not hours. It would feel like a Bob Burd death march and by mid trip you'd be beaten to a pulp. Why not select an east-side loop this year and then come back next year and do a west-side loop? The truth is, there are magical places throughout the Sierra and no way to visit them all in one season -- just ask Rogue, who has spent his last few summers roaming the backcountry and is gearing up once again for a 100+ day hike this year.
Mike M.
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Winter High Exposure: Wait - Where Did it Go?maverick wrote:Why not ask everyone here to come up with a title for the book, would love to see theDave wrote:
My current pet project is doing solo winter ascents of all of the ca 14ers and then
taking a naked self portrait on the summit. As far as I know, no one has ever done
that before. I'll probably make a coffee table book out of it and call it high exposure,
assents, or something like that.
creative input folks here in HST would have!
PS If it became a best seller I want a percentage for coming up with the idea for how
you got the title.
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Re: Help me plan!
Is there anyway you and your lady could use two cars? Do a west to east traverse would enable you two to take your time and really enjoy the hell out of every day out there.
If you are dead set on visiting cloud canyon (I really think you should reconsider its importance) Going avalanche pass to cloud canyon should be a no brainer. You should be able to hit colby lake by day 2 no problem ( 2 long days) getting lubed up for the altitude in the process.
day 3 colby pass, milestone pass, make camp by lake 3490
Day 4, day hike to bighorn plateau, explore wright lakes, climb tyndall, come back to camp and move to below mileys foot pass or harrison.
day 5 explore upper kern
day 6 ascend either mileys or harrison to lake reflection. Then hit longly to south guard lake to set up camp. If you are feeling it go ahead and explore cunningham creek.
Day 7 south guard lake to big brewer lake to sphinx lakes
day 8 sphinx lakes to roads end
one more day for a layover wherever you feel
Oh and title for your book, "High Angle Dangle" "Fresh Air for my Pair" "No Harness, No Rope, No Pants!" "14k+1" In Winter" "Winter at 14k: Hide and Seek"
If you are dead set on visiting cloud canyon (I really think you should reconsider its importance) Going avalanche pass to cloud canyon should be a no brainer. You should be able to hit colby lake by day 2 no problem ( 2 long days) getting lubed up for the altitude in the process.
day 3 colby pass, milestone pass, make camp by lake 3490
Day 4, day hike to bighorn plateau, explore wright lakes, climb tyndall, come back to camp and move to below mileys foot pass or harrison.
day 5 explore upper kern
day 6 ascend either mileys or harrison to lake reflection. Then hit longly to south guard lake to set up camp. If you are feeling it go ahead and explore cunningham creek.
Day 7 south guard lake to big brewer lake to sphinx lakes
day 8 sphinx lakes to roads end
one more day for a layover wherever you feel
Oh and title for your book, "High Angle Dangle" "Fresh Air for my Pair" "No Harness, No Rope, No Pants!" "14k+1" In Winter" "Winter at 14k: Hide and Seek"
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