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Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

A forum to initiate member meet-up. Looking for a hiking/climbing/fishing/skiing/etc. partner, or are you planning a trip where you wouldn't mind having some company? Last minute invites can be just as fun as a well-planned group trip (sometimes even better) so don't be shy! And be sure to post a trip report to the appropriate forum when you get back.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Hobbes » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:06 pm

rlown wrote:Showed the lakes as fish-less.


The particular fishing opportunity of this trip lies in the journey, not the destination. Heck, that was even true of this year's meet-up: Jim and I were both wondering why, why didn't a place as incredible as Wales not have fish? But it didn't matter, because along the way and even next door provided enough fishing to satisfy even the most jaded GT hunter.

Consider the Miter x-c route - 'nuff said. What about Shepherd? As a quick spur, WLB rocks even if you don't go all the way below Tulainyo. And the Kern itself? A true native Sierra species, never planted either 5, 50 or 100 years ago unlike every lake in the Sierra north of the Kern, Golden trout creek or the SF Kern watershed.



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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby rlown » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:12 pm

k. i'm done. sky blue,et al looks better.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby maverick » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:16 pm

The lakes in KB are fish less, but Picket Creek and the lakes in that drainage have
fish Russ, that is from a good source, who was through there last year, not 20 years
ago. ;)
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Postby rlown » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:23 pm

never saw a TR on that. prove it someone. And not 6" fish.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby maverick » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:29 pm

PM-ed the member to please chime in about the size of the fish he saw in the
Picket Creek drainage Russ.

Edit: So we have you on record, if the fish are larger than 6" you coming. :D
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby rlown » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:30 pm

Thanks. 14 or better.. or not going. There are other choices.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Hobbes » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:33 pm

Per a private exchange a few years ago with Tom K, who has traveled in these parts many, many times over the last 20-30 years, and isn't one particularly prone to hyperbole:

"The Kern river definitely has some huge fish in it, especially as you go further downstream. I say 2 were at least 20" hanging in the current XXX just north of YYY back in 2006. The water is bigger down there and there is a lot more insect life. It's great fly fishing water down that way. The bears are fatter, too."

I've kept copies of these emails in a file folder for a Kern river trip ever since. Next year is my chance - all I needed was an excuse to finally pull the trigger.
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Postby rlown » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:39 pm

i don't doubt that report. I now know what i'm doing next year. Not the meet up. Not that I don't want to see you guys/gals, but, I do what I do. BTW, fish don't live much beyond 20 years.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Bluewater » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:54 am

Thanks for organizing the HST Meetup for 2015 Maverick.

I camped for two nights at Island Lake in Kaweah Basin this year. It was the first time I have ever taken a planned zero day. . .and I am still looking forward to going back. As you all know this is a beautiful basin.

The xc routes from the Kern Kaweah were fun scrambles even while carrying 8 days of food. For anyone interested in more info about the two easiest routes I did a trip report with some details (http://seatosummitultralight.blogspot.c ... -2014.html).

I didn't bring fishing gear to Kaweah or Picket basins, but I saw 3 - 4 good sized fish swimming along the shallow shoreline of Picket Lake in the morning in late July this year. They looked about 12" and similar to other fish I saw in the upper Kern area. The lake is located at the north end of the basin, just before the drop off to the Kern Kaweah River.

Cottonwood Pass is the easiest pass into the area and the trail miles are mild on the approach. I still haven't been over Crabtree Pass or fished the lakes. I'm definitely bringing fishing gear this time and I have some unfinished business with Pyra-Queen Col and will probably use that as an exit route.


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Postby Electra » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:11 am

I am hoping to make it this year. I have never visited the Kaweah Basin and meeting you fine folks would make it extra special. I need to peruse the maps but would probably do a west side entry or via Cottonwood....
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Hobbes » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:03 am

Because I've been contemplating a trip through the Golden Trout Wilderness literally for years, I've got a file folder full of maps, routes/mileage and intelligence reports. The allure of where the state fish originated & the geological underpinning of how/why it evolved its golden red hue is pretty strong with me. As many may know, Golden Trout & Volcano creeks are where the original fish were caught by very early settlers who transported them in barrels to seed various lakes in the region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Trout_Wilderness

http://stevenojai.tripod.com/goldtrout.htm

http://www.tucalifornia.org/cgtic/CGTbasics.htm

Probably the biggest reason I've kept putting this trip off is because I couldn't figure out a way to make an interesting loop out of Horseshoe Meadow. Other than return via a small stringer that doesn't have much fishing potential, the other option would add miles just to avoid directly backtracking. Since the mileage is pretty high - around 20 miles each way to Volcano falls, the thought of either backtracking or going further east just for a change of scenery kept putting me off.

Alternatively, I would periodically pull together ideas to construct a mini 'thru-hike' by heading up the Kern river - fishing all the way, 'natch - and then continuing north & exiting at either Shepherd or even throwing in a Whitney summit/exit just for the heck of it. So, it doesn't come as a big surprise that when Maverick suggested Kaweah basin for next year while we were sitting around @ Wales, the gears were already spinning in my head. Not the least of which is I'd rather use my feet for free than to pay for a guided trip:

http://www.kernriverflyfishing.com/gtw.htm

To provide some basic background in terms of route/mileage, I thought I'd throw the following info dump out there on my expected route for those who may have an interest in the general region. Note: because Mav's 2015 meet-up location is so centrally located, there's a lot of different ways to get there or just pass through. From the west, there's the HST or Cloud canyon, from the south, GTW/Kern, from the north, Harrison/Forester/Kearsarge/Shepherd, and from the east, Whitney/Crabtree/Army passes.

Day 1 (Tues) - Horseshoe Mdw to Kern river bridge @ Volcano falls via Trail pass - 20 miles. Get permit @8am, on trail by 9am, shoot for 3mph pace (7-8 hrs), pull in before 6pm.
Day 2/3 (Wed/Thurs) - Bridge to Kaweah basin - 21 miles. Slow & easy 10 miles/day to allow fishing @ various pools along the way. Arrive at meet-up location Thurs afternoon.
Day 4 (Fri) - Kaweah basin to Crabtree mdw via HST/PCT/JMT - 10 miles. Leave after lunch, nice & easy.
Day 5 (Sat) - Crabtree to Horseshoe Mdw via PCT & Cottonwood pass - 20 miles. Try and jam 3mph (7-8 hrs), get to car before 2pm, home for dinner/beer.

As this thread progresses, I'll be able to post up additional information & resources, such as which USGS or T Harrison maps cover which areas, alternative x-c routes throughout the area I've done in the past, (not-so) secret fishing spots, lures/flies that have worked for me, etc.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby SSSdave » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:40 am

What would be useful at this point since Maverick has now set for 2015 this fine destination basin and there are several trailhead and route options, would be a sticky associated thread only writable by admins that would contain basic information. A long multipage general thread like we had in 2014 is fine for making input but at some point it becomes difficult to locate useful info everyone can use. If one uses the Search function with terms, hits only point to a thread, not to which page whatever is on.

So one of the useful items of info would be the mileage distance and vertical information for each route to the destination. I noticed last year there was usual confusion and hearsay regarding effort on routes. And of course we regularly see posts where people giving advice or asking questions only seem to understand mileage while ignoring effort going uphill carrying weight.

Generally most backpackers just vaguely look at a topo map to size up those parameters unless some guidebook or other source provides such. For decades I've been at the other extreme and in recent years all that information is on fancy Excel charts for each trip I've made plans for. For the purposes herein all that needs to be known is mileage and vertical up and down footage between primary trail and route junction and camping zone points. For instance from the dirt road end trailhead to Anvil Camp and then to Shepherd Pass etc. Obtaining such information off topo maps takes a minor effort especially if one uses a spreadsheet. I may open up another thread probably on our Campfire forum to describe how to do so and provide a simple Excel or Google starting template.
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