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Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby richapple » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:47 pm

There is this map illustration in the newer (2006) edition of "Sierra South" (Kathy Morey/Mike White) that is not in my older copy (1993), and it shows a trail branching north from the "Florence Lake to the Muir Trail Ranch trail" (that stretch could be called the "South Fork Trail"? it catches up with the JMT/PCT east of the MTR). Anyway, this new trail heads north from the east/west trail and joins the JMT/PCT a bit below Sallie Keyes Lakes, but it stays entirely west of Sallie Keyes Creek.
Does anybody know that trail? Is it real? For the heavier lined main trail the map in the book looks to show the JMT/PCT down from Seldon Pass and Sallie Keyes, but then only shows the cut-off that drops right down near Blayney Hot Springs and the MTR. As many times as I've been through there I've never been aware of this other trail west of Sallie Keyes Creek. Thanks for any info...
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby AlmostThere » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:22 am

That's the cutoff trail. It's there. We were heading up it on a SAR last year.
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby ERIC » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:14 am

I hiked it this year. Steep, spots with thick brush and lots of downed trees on the upper reach before Sallie Keyes, only mildly maintained by Lost Valley Pack Station and MTR.

Plenty of cairns, however. :littledevil:
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby whrdafamI? » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:59 am

In a effort to "update" their book they put in a whole lot of alternate routes with their latest edition. They make this point in the forward of the book.
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby richapple » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:59 am

Thanks Eric and AlmostThere...
Good info, and just to throw a little Photoshop into the mix, I tossed the "new" trail (new to me!) onto a topo, which is no doubt ballpark only. (I too first saw the the "Sierra South" map as two trails, so the one on the left must be the cutoff. Still a cutoff, of course, but a pretty big one...)
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby richapple » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:03 am

And thanks, Bill, and that's a good thing. We're fans of alternate routes! I think my partner on the trail has the newer edition (I was only seeing it in Google Book's scans), and if she does we'll be checking it out for even more new hints.
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby Troutdog 59 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:56 am

While I have not been on it, I thought I would add that the trail is an old route that predates the JMT. The one time I was looking for it we were coming from Selden Pass, but we missed it and ended up using the JMTR cutoff on the east side of Senger Creek.

Not sure if this link will work or not, but check out the old Mt Goddard topo (1912, reprinted in 1933) they have in the Cal Berkley Earth Sciences and map library. The JMT didnt exist yet, but the trail you mention is the one route shown over Selden Pass. Theres also an old trail shown heading northeast and UP (empahsis on up) over the ridge that extends south of Turret Peak. Ive seen remants of that trail as it crosses that ridge, but never knew what it was until I saw these maps on this site.

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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby richapple » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:47 am

Troutdog,

Very cool link - thanks! And I thought I had some old topos...
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby ERIC » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:06 pm

Don't put too much faith in that old topo. The current rout only follows Sallie Keyes Creek for a short while on the upper part of the trail (as your photoshop drawing indicates), then darts west and away from the creek for the remainder of the descent. (The bush along the creek is pretty much impassible, and I do not suggest following it.)

Switchbacks of loose granite and Manzanita mazes begin near the top and on the east face of North Rock. The top half of the route you drew looks fairly accurate. Bottom half, appears to need a little work.
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby richapple » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:56 pm

Eric,

Yeah, I wondered for the vintage map (that is cool Berkeley has that stuff all archived) if back then the word was just "a trail just west of Sallie Keyes Creek" and what was drawn on the map only reflected that, but the route feet actually hiked on back then was more like today's "trail".

For my topo overlay I did just copy the trail from the "Sierra South" book and resize it and place it, and yeah, I probably needed to scale it a little bigger so the top and bottom both made some sort of sense with the topo... As per the topo from the bottom it must go up to the less steep lines just left of the "Keyes" of the lowest printing of the creek name.
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby tomba » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:24 pm

Here is the illustration overlaid on topo map using CalTopo.

Here it is overlaid on historical ~100 year old topo map.

One can adjust transparency of the overlay and turn it on/off in upper right corner.
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Re: Is this Sallie Keyes Creek trail real?

Postby Oubliet » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:11 pm

I've done some trail crew work in that area.

Yes, it's real.


It's been a few years since I did some brush clearing and pruning there, but there was one 8=day crew trip that I was on where I must've gone up and down that trail about 8 times.
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