
TR: Middle Pal Sept 2019
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TR: Middle Pal Sept 2019

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Re: TR: Middle Pal Sept 2019
SNOOOW,
Your TR/Photos were much appreciated.
You noted a predominance of day hikers. Having the advantage of some previous experience in the area, I attempted the day hike in early August 2005. Left my camp/car at the trailhead at 3:00 AM, reached the summit at 12:30, returned to the trailhead at 11:43 pm, enjoyed a beer, crawled into sleeping bag.
At the time, I saw the advantage of the day hike as twofold, given that the trip goal was entirely to get to the summit:
(1) No permit was required for a day hike for South Fork Big Pine Creek. (This is still the case.) In August getting an over night permit is competitive.
(2) Mid Pal's neighbor Norman Clyde warned in his writing that Mid Pal "is not recommended for novices." Indeed, there is a lot of terrain to cover between the glacier and the summit. Constant focus is deserved and there is not much in the way of natural shelter. That is, it is not the place to be in bad weather! So if you can find a day with a forecast of great weather/conditions, a day hike limits your exposure to the more predictable period of less than 24 hours.
Again, thanks for the interesting TR.
Jim
Your TR/Photos were much appreciated.
You noted a predominance of day hikers. Having the advantage of some previous experience in the area, I attempted the day hike in early August 2005. Left my camp/car at the trailhead at 3:00 AM, reached the summit at 12:30, returned to the trailhead at 11:43 pm, enjoyed a beer, crawled into sleeping bag.
At the time, I saw the advantage of the day hike as twofold, given that the trip goal was entirely to get to the summit:
(1) No permit was required for a day hike for South Fork Big Pine Creek. (This is still the case.) In August getting an over night permit is competitive.
(2) Mid Pal's neighbor Norman Clyde warned in his writing that Mid Pal "is not recommended for novices." Indeed, there is a lot of terrain to cover between the glacier and the summit. Constant focus is deserved and there is not much in the way of natural shelter. That is, it is not the place to be in bad weather! So if you can find a day with a forecast of great weather/conditions, a day hike limits your exposure to the more predictable period of less than 24 hours.
Again, thanks for the interesting TR.
Jim
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Re: TR: Middle Pal Sept 2019
You are welcome Jim. For that particular trip/peak we only saw dayhikers the whole time. We did see that 1 camp around finger but never saw the people. I agree the whole permit situation for those popular trailheads is tough especially with a group but my buddy from so.cal only really gets 1 trip per year to chase after a big peak so we always reserve a permit the day they come available and lock it down. I day hike a lot of peaks but those big ones I usually end up staying at least 1 night. A lot of times I will hike in and camp, next day is summit day and hike out. As much as I like traveling light on day trips I really enjoy spending nights out in the high country so if I can, I will always just add a nights stay onto my peak. This summer maybe I will test my limits with a big crazy mission like yours to middle pal.
Thank You for the Norman Clyde quote, I really enjoy fun facts like that. The 2 people I was with that trip did not know who Norman Clyde was so I explained to them all that I knew about the legend. I named my dog Clyde also btw.
Thank You for the Norman Clyde quote, I really enjoy fun facts like that. The 2 people I was with that trip did not know who Norman Clyde was so I explained to them all that I knew about the legend. I named my dog Clyde also btw.
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Re: TR: Middle Pal Sept 2019
There are also advantages of doing a basecamp. Perhaps I am "old school" or perhaps my preference is due to climbing many peaks in mountain ranges with less predictable weather than the Sierra. Here is my "method"- hike in leisurely the day before, to acclimate and get to bed early. Up 2-3 AM, approach by headlamp, on route by 6AM, down by noon or early afternoon and drive out same day as climb. This way you are the first on the route (nobody climbing above you to knock down rocks), beat the inevitable afternoon thunderstorms (Rockies), and have better snow conditions. If the route long or a technical climb, you then may spend the entire day on the climb and walk out the next day.
In the Pacific NW, you go into basecamp, regardless of weather. Then there may be a short window of good weather early next AM in which you can do the climb. Sometimes you have to just walk out next day without even starting the climb. In the Canadian ranges, we often would go in for several days, spend most the time waiting for good weather, and then going for it once the weather broke.
I actually was not that fond of Middle Palisade because there was too much junky rock. But it was beautiful. I liked your photos.
In the Pacific NW, you go into basecamp, regardless of weather. Then there may be a short window of good weather early next AM in which you can do the climb. Sometimes you have to just walk out next day without even starting the climb. In the Canadian ranges, we often would go in for several days, spend most the time waiting for good weather, and then going for it once the weather broke.
I actually was not that fond of Middle Palisade because there was too much junky rock. But it was beautiful. I liked your photos.
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Hey Jon SNOOOW,
Thanks for the great TR, and fine photos. I expanded the panorama by clicking on it, and stared into it for long, happy minutes.
You write:
Mt. Sill via Scimitar Pass; Cathedral Peak by the easy western route; Mount Tom by the endless NE Ridge; Dragon Peak from Onion Valley...
Best of luck, Ian.
Thanks for the great TR, and fine photos. I expanded the panorama by clicking on it, and stared into it for long, happy minutes.
You write:
I feel the same, BTW, what peaks have you in mind for a "big, crazy mission?" Here are a few big, crazy ideas:...much as I like traveling light on day trips I really enjoy spending nights out in the high country so if I can, I will always just add a nights stay onto my peak. This summer maybe I will test my limits with a big crazy mission like yours...
Mt. Sill via Scimitar Pass; Cathedral Peak by the easy western route; Mount Tom by the endless NE Ridge; Dragon Peak from Onion Valley...
Best of luck, Ian.
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Re: TR: Middle Pal Sept 2019
Mt. Williamson from George Creek! Everyone should have at least one experience going up George Creek to embrace your masochistic side.
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I like to day hike the “close ones” and go for a big backpack to enjoy the lakes and the peaks for the further out ones. I have a trip planned for 9 days ladder lake and wheel/ devils crags area this year, this will finalize my Ionian area last year...well other than a trip to Reinstein and all the ridge/finger etc...and well hermit ridge/emerald ridge/peter/mcgee! Dragon peak and the lake are awesome!
But I did Middle and Norman Clyde as day hikes. may do Sill and Palisade crest area as a backpack.
Kristine
But I did Middle and Norman Clyde as day hikes. may do Sill and Palisade crest area as a backpack.
Kristine
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Gazelle writes:
Jon, maybe we can attach a rope to Gazelle and be pulled up whatever she does?
Nice (long, hard) work on those two peaks as day hikes/climbs. Re. the Palisade crest, is that different than the Palisade Traverse?. And as for Mt. Sill, do you, and Jon too, like the idea of climbing via Scimitar Pass? Or do you intend to do the Swiss Arete, Glacier Notch, or ??? Never been up Sill, and I'd love to bag that famous view.But I did Middle and Norman Clyde as day hikes. may do Sill and Palisade crest area as a backpack.
Jon, maybe we can attach a rope to Gazelle and be pulled up whatever she does?
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Swiss Arete is a wonderful route. I first climbed Mt Sill from Barrett Lakes; it was a bumbling affair of climbing the wrong peak (there was an old mason jar with a peak register inside confirming that I was on the wrong summit). Then I climbed every lump along the ridge until I came to the top of Mt Sill, met a party who had just done Swiss Arete, and they informed me that I finally got the right peak! Subsequently did Swiss Arete twice, and it was as good as those fellows told me.
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Re: TR: Middle Pal Sept 2019
Harlen mentions climbing Mount Sill from Scimitar Pass. As far as I know I am the only one dumb enough to try that. I tried from a campsite below Elinor Lake. The going was difficult and I abandoned the effort before making Scimitar Pass just because my progress was too slow and I realized I wouldn't make it. The consolation prize for doing this was a great view of Norman Clyde Peak. I eventually got Sill from the west side. I am curious if someone has done Sill from Scimitar.
I remember watching some folks climbing the Swiss Arete from a climb of Mount Gayley. Our intent was to do Sill via the L couloir but a thunderstorm was brewing and we did a consolation prize of Mount Gayley, which possesses a great view of all the palisades. The thunderstorm came in and we got clobbered by it. I always wondered what happened to those poor souls on Swiss Arete.
Count me as someone who prefers to camp and climb from a basecamp rather than day hike.. too tired at the end of day hikes to enjoy..
I remember watching some folks climbing the Swiss Arete from a climb of Mount Gayley. Our intent was to do Sill via the L couloir but a thunderstorm was brewing and we did a consolation prize of Mount Gayley, which possesses a great view of all the palisades. The thunderstorm came in and we got clobbered by it. I always wondered what happened to those poor souls on Swiss Arete.
Count me as someone who prefers to camp and climb from a basecamp rather than day hike.. too tired at the end of day hikes to enjoy..
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