Corona Virus

[bobby49]

The fallacy of your logic is obvious. By winter our country will be much better at responding to all of these ailments. That means possible early vaccines, possible better testing, possible better treatments, and maybe even better politicians on the way.

[franklin411]

The fallacy of your logic is obvious. By winter our country will be much better at responding to all of these ailments. That means possible early vaccines, possible better testing, possible better treatments, and maybe even better politicians on the way.

Ha...it takes a full year to manufacture enough doses of flu vaccine from year to year. And the flu vaccine has already been tested and proven safe. A coronavirus vaccine is at least 2 years from widespread deployment. If we even have a coronavirus vaccine at the final stage of development by Dec. 2020, it'll be unprecedented.

People are going to be a lot happier over the long run if they stop hoping some magic bullet (social distancing, a vaccine, a miracle drug) will make it all go away. Coronavirus is here to stay. You'll get it. I'll get it. Neither of us is statistically likely to suffer anything more than minor inconvenience.

[TahoeJeff]

It would seem here on HST there is a small minority of positive members hopeful that this whole Corona Virus mess won't be the massive health castastrophy as predicted.
Then there are the majority of doom and gloom, bummer junkies.
Oh, but they can go fishing, take their daily 3-5 mile walks, etc.
I guess the govenors statewide shelter-in-place order and "Stay home, Save Lives" doesn't appy to them.
Maybe it's just the deplorable, non-essentials who need to obey?

[balzaccom]

I would say that there are those who believe that the experts who have studied epidemiology throughout their careers probably know most about what is happening, can happen, and what we should do about it.

And there are those who believe they know better.

[bobby49]

Coronavirus is here to stay. You'll get it. I'll get it. Neither of us is statistically likely to suffer anything more than minor inconvenience.

You assume that neither one of us is in a vulnerable demographic. That's what I really hate, when people make unfounded assumptions.

[bobby49]

It would seem here on HST there is a small minority of positive members hopeful that this whole Corona Virus mess won't be the massive health castastrophy as predicted.
Then there are the majority of doom and gloom, bummer junkies.
Oh, but they can go fishing, take their daily 3-5 mile walks, etc.
I guess the govenors statewide shelter-in-place order and "Stay home, Save Lives" doesn't appy to them.
Maybe it's just the deplorable, non-essentials who need to obey?

Read the fine print. All of the governors advocate that we shelter-in-place, but that allows for daily exercise walks, walking the dog, etc.

[BillyBobBurro]

Anyone here have any personal experience with this "flu"? A good friend of mine came down with it and so did her boyfriend (both tested by Kaiser). Neither one of them had any of the typical comorbidity factors and it was not a pleasant experience for them. Both of them survived without a trip to the hospital but both said it was the most intense flu/cold they have ever experienced and it lasted for over 10 days. Both of them are late 30's, don't smoke, exercise regularly and eat well. Almost the entirety of America's ICU staff is taking the brunt of this without adequate PPE and a small but very vocal minority of american's act like the world is coming to an end because they have to avoid large gatherings, wear a face mask and make a sacrifice for a bit of time.

[franklin411]

Almost the entirety of America's ICU staff is taking the brunt of this without adequate PPE and a small but very vocal minority of american's act like the world is coming to an end because they have to avoid large gatherings, wear a face mask and make a sacrifice for a bit of time.

A sacrifice for a bit of time? First of all, it's primarily middle class and rich white folks who have the luxury of staying at home. If the low paid poor white and brown workers and immigrants who do most of the actual work in this country stayed home, where would we be? No food on the table, no nurses in hospitals, no UPS drivers to make deliveries, no janitors to clean everything.

Second of all, the lockdown is a lot more economically devastating than people think. Millions of jobs are gone for good. This isn't some sort of "paid vacation." We're in an engineered depression, but while it's easy to jump off a cliff, it's a lot harder to climb back up it. There will be no quick jobs recovery, unemployment checks will end, rent holidays will end, and tens of millions will be left on the streets.

Third, people are only starting to consider the impact of the hundreds of billions of dollars in lost tax revenues for the states. There are going to be apocalyptic state budget cuts in education, in police and fire, in highways, and most critically, in health care. What's the health impact of kicking millions of people off of Medicaid because the states can't pay for it? Don't think it'll happen? It's already happening. NY state is cutting Medicaid by a half a billion dollars.

That's quite a bit more than "a sacrifice for a bit of time," but I suppose it all depends on whose ox is being gored. For privileged groups, the lockdown is only an inconvenience. For tens of millions of poor and brown Americans, it's the apocalypse.

[balzaccom]

Amazing, isn't it? We can't afford to provide health care as a basic human right...but we can somehow find trillions of dollars in only a few weeks to bail out major corporations...

[oldranger]

Ha...it takes a full year to manufacture enough doses of flu vaccine from year to year. And the flu vaccine has already been tested and proven safe. A coronavirus vaccine is at least 2 years from widespread deployment. If we even have a coronavirus vaccine at the final stage of development by Dec. 2020, it'll be unprecedented.

People are going to be a lot happier over the long run if they stop hoping some magic bullet (social distancing, a vaccine, a miracle drug) will make it all go away. Coronavirus is here to stay. You'll get it. I'll get it. Neither of us is statistically likely to suffer anything more than minor inconvenience.

Gee thanks I'm 72 and markskor is is 2 years younger and obviously has a compromised immune system during and after chemo. I think Daisy is about 70 as well. I haven't been in a store since the stay at home order has been in place but have been out and about where I can maintain more than 6 ft between myself and the occasional person I meet. My wife(also over 70) has been doing the shopping and is covered head to toe with clothing, gloves and mask when doing so. When she gets home she empties the car spreads out everything that doesn't need refrigeration or freezing then takes off her clothes and puts them in the washing machine before heading to the shower and redressing (unless I catch her first )

But I guess from your point of view if we die 10 years early that lessens demands on the social security, medicare, and hospitals in the long run not to mention opening up housing opportunities for younger folks. Probably for your benefit we should just take a long walk off a short dock since we are an economic drag on the country.