Corona Virus

[franklin411]

By the way: The CDC estimates that in the whole country so far this season, there have been at least 22 million illnesses, 210,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 deaths from the flu. Compare that to COVID19, where more than 10,000 people have died from the virus in NYC alone.

And yet, in the State of California, with 30 million people, we're looking at 1100 deaths. That's a very very normal flu season.

And it's typical compared to the world. China has 1.5 billion people, and 3000 deaths. Even if they're lying by a factor of 40, that's still not bad.

What if...25% of the people who died, were going to die no matter what?

[rlown]

yep..

[TahoeJeff]

Maybe it's not about health and economics. Maybe it's about power and control.
The 'leaders' know whats best for you, so shut up and do what you're told.
I'm old enough to remember when America was "the land of the free and the home of the brave".
Sure doesn't seem like that anymore...

[grampy]

Rather than study the virus, I set my trip to Inyo for Sept 20-29 and got the permit. Everything should be open by then.

I don’t doubt you on this. And I hope you get to go on trips as early as August or even July, if things open.
I have four trips planned this year myself (five, if I count the “meetup”). I am definitely looking forward to doing most (if not all) of these; just less certain about this happening as I was a few weeks ago.
The purpose of one of my trips is to introduce my oldest granddaughter to backpacking, so I would be more disappointed about cancelling (if required) than about any of the others.

[balzaccom]

By the way: The CDC estimates that in the whole country so far this season, there have been at least 22 million illnesses, 210,000 hospitalizations and 12,000 deaths from the flu. Compare that to COVID19, where more than 10,000 people have died from the virus in NYC alone.

And yet, in the State of California, with 30 million people, we're looking at 1100 deaths. That's a very very normal flu season.

The state with the earliest shelter in place order. That argues that social distancing really does work...

[franklin411]

The state with the earliest shelter in place order. That argues that social distancing really does work...

But then again, you have the problem of India. How is it that a nation with a pop density of 1200 people per sq mi has orders of magnitude fewer cases/deaths than a nation with a pop density of 94 people per sq mi (USA) or a nation with a pop density of 92 people per sq mi (Spain, to include a smaller country)?

If social distancing worked, India should be seeing bodies stacked in the streets like cordwood. And they're aren't.

[BillyBobBurro]

Downplaying this pandemic by our "leaders" is what got us into this mess. If covid-19 was taken seriously on day one in the US we could of avoided such large scale shutdowns and disruptions to the economy and our general day-to-day life. Instead we are having to deal with mitigating the results of the cat getting out of the bag.

[Wandering Daisy]

I wonder if the people in India, in spite of their poverty, have less underlying disease, because with lack of medical treatment or the means to pay for it, only the strong survive. They certainly do not have much obesity, and probably have very robust immune systems developed by living in such conditions. I also think the theory of having TB vaccine may play a role. There are also genetic factors. There are quite a few from India who work in Silicon Valley. It would be interesting to see if they also have been spared COVID-19. It is my understanding that our environment is almost too clean and we use too many antibiotic cleaning products. Maybe I seem to never get sick because I ate a lot of dirt when I grew up! You know, that kid in Peanuts cartoon- I think they call him Pig Pen.

[schmalz]

Downplaying this pandemic by our "leaders" is what got us into this mess. If covid-19 was taken seriously on day one in the US we could of avoided such large scale shutdowns and disruptions to the economy and our general day-to-day life. Instead we are having to deal with mitigating the results of the cat getting out of the bag.

It's really frustrating how much people are attempting to politicize this. I get it, Trump is an idiot.

There are also things that exist in this world that are outside of our control. This pandemic is one. There is no nation in the world that will not experience disruptions to the economy or general day-to-day life out of this. None.

Some may have a more manageable initial curve. The virus isn't going anywhere for a couple of years though. Building towards herd immunity without overloading the medical system might be the best solution to this, and if that's the case, we are doing fine so far.

Either way, don't act as if different leadership would have removed any hardship from this crisis.

[SSSdave]

As May gets closer, everyone is going to be increasingly hearing from news media about phased reopening our society from shutdowns and shelter in place orders. The following link is a good all around read of how some of it may proceed. There is an enormous amount of yet to be figured out details, however the below is a good brainstorming start along with others that our authorities and politicians will be setting a course from. A great deal to talk about. One benefit of our current shelter in place orders is over the previous few weeks, it has been worthwhile increasingly effective "forced behavior training" on individuals A to Z. We can do this America.

Healthy individuals under the age of 65 who are not in regular contact with high-risk individuals should be allowed by state governments to return to work, even if they work at “non-essential” businesses. Individuals between the ages of 40 and 65 should consider continuing to stay home if they have any underlying conditions that make them more susceptible to death or hospitalization with COVID-19, such as...

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-aven ... -pandemic/