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Re: Anyone know anything about a Starolater/Starblater[sp?] Pass named in 1973? It's between Reef lake & Sharktooth Cree

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:08 pm
by texan
sli wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:19 pm How about st abola dr? According to OpenAI, Dr Samuel T Abola was a notable figure who hiked in Sierra Nevada in the 19th century. He is known for his explorations and contributions to the understanding of Sierra’s geography and natural history.
I googled Dr Samuel T Abola and got NO info. Maybe you can tells us more about him. Thanks.

Texan(Mike)

Re: Anyone know anything about a Starolater/Starblater[sp?] Pass named in 1973? It's between Reef lake & Sharktooth Cree

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:28 pm
by druid
texan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:08 pm
sli wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:19 pm How about st abola dr? According to OpenAI, Dr Samuel T Abola was a notable figure who hiked in Sierra Nevada in the 19th century. He is known for his explorations and contributions to the understanding of Sierra’s geography and natural history.
I googled Dr Samuel T Abola and got NO info. Maybe you can tells us more about him. Thanks.

Texan(Mike)
Or maybe instead ask OpenAI to expand a bit on its prior confabulations.

Re: Anyone know anything about a Starolater/Starblater[sp?] Pass named in 1973? It's between Reef lake & Sharktooth Cree

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:03 pm
by texan
druid wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:28 pm
texan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:08 pm
sli wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:19 pm How about st abola dr? According to OpenAI, Dr Samuel T Abola was a notable figure who hiked in Sierra Nevada in the 19th century. He is known for his explorations and contributions to the understanding of Sierra’s geography and natural history.
I googled Dr Samuel T Abola and got NO info. Maybe you can tells us more about him. Thanks.

Texan(Mike)
Or maybe instead ask OpenAI to expand a bit on its prior confabulations.
Good point, but I am done with this thread.

Re: Anyone know anything about a Starolater/Starblater[sp?] Pass named in 1973? It's between Reef lake & Sharktooth Cree

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:16 am
by sli
I asked OpenAI again, did not get the same answer. Looks like a dead end, my apologies

Re: Anyone know anything about a Starolater/Starblater[sp?] Pass named in 1973? It's between Reef lake & Sharktooth Cree

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:18 pm
by SweetSierra
Some years ago, an article I came across with a map described a historic route and pretty good trail that crossed a pass or ridge over the Silver Divide to what could be the lakes on your map. I remember the trailhead on the map for this route is in an area west of the divide that is obscure with no apparently easy way to get there. The article said the route, which was used by those wanting to fish, hunt, or explore, fell into disuse and disappeared. I don't remember the mention of a name carved on a rock, though I can see that if this is the route I read about, someone may
have wanted to leave a mark of their passing.

Re: Anyone know anything about a Starolater/Starblater[sp?] Pass named in 1973? It's between Reef lake & Sharktooth Cree

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:06 pm
by erutan
The AI hallucination suggestion is hilarious.
SweetSierra wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:18 pm Some years ago, an article I came across with a map described a historic route and pretty good trail that crossed a pass or ridge over the Silver Divide to what could be the lakes on your map.
I imagine that'd be the Sierra NF trail that went over what is now called Sharktooth Lake Pass from Silver Creek? It doesn't exist anymore aside from two cut logs on the west side (one set of which has slid like 20 feet), though might have a teensy bit of trail left on the east right before it meets Minnow Creek. USGS map location for it is also a bit nonsensical at times.

Actually it could very well be silver fox / graveyard pass - the graveyard side has a fairly solid use trail and it's fishier than starbo.

I didn't see any traces of trail in the basin with reef/pocket/tub etc though we did find a horseshoe - it's pretty simple open forest from Beetlebug but the pass itself would be pretty rough for stock on the far side and there's zero traces of a "pretty good trail" or even a properly cairned route.

I'd be interested if you can dig up more info on that trail/route. :)

Re: Anyone know anything about a Starolater/Starblater[sp?] Pass named in 1973? It's between Reef lake & Sharktooth Cree

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 3:38 am
by SweetSierra
It wasn't silver fox/graveyard pass that it was referring to. Interesting about Sharktooth Lake Pass--I'll see if I can dig up the article.