and so it starts... confirmed wolf kill

[dave54]

http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ ... 1004105757

This one is too close to town, where kids walk to school.

Either Fish and Wildlife will deal with it, or locals will using 3S.

[freestone]

3S?

[dave54]

Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.

[k9mark]

An environmentalist who has advocated for the California wolf population dismissed ranchers’ concerns.

“I don’t see how it could set back our cause if one is a thinking individual,” said Amaroq Weiss, the wolf advocate at the Center for Biological Diversity, a nonprofit conservation group that has pushed to get more species listed as endangered.

Although livestock die from numerous causes, “we know that there will occasionally be predations of livestock,” she said.

She and other wolf advocates say such kills are rare, especially if ranchers take steps to keep the animals away. Weiss said livestock owners have to take “common-sense” precautions if they know wolves are in the area. These include making sure the livestock stay together for protection. In addition, ranchers must quickly dispose of the carcasses of livestock that die from other causes; otherwise those carcasses can act as lures for wolves, she said.

Wow. Go tell this to the rancher face to face.

[dave54]

Locals were tentatively OK with the wolves when they were in a remote unpopulated part of the county. Now everything is changed.
The wolves need to be trapped and relocated. I suggest the American River Parkway, Golden Gate Park, or Griffith Park. Will the advocates feel the same if the wolves were relocated to those areas?

[k9mark]

Locals were tentatively OK with the wolves when they were in a remote unpopulated part of the county. Now everything is changed.
The wolves need to be trapped and relocated. I suggest the American River Parkway, Golden Gate Park, or Griffith Park. Will the advocates feel the same if the wolves were relocated to those areas?

Ha, you know that would never happen

[wildhiker]

We can make room in California for 40 million people and their cars, houses, and possessions, and the millions of acres of farmland, rangeland, forestland, and industrial zones needed to feed, house, clothe, and entertain them. Why can't we make room for some wolves, who actually were here before us?
-Phil

[Hobbes]

The wolves are one thing, mountain lions another. I was in Bishop last month getting some supplies at Vons. One of the stockers showed me a photo his brother had taken @ Big Pine lakes the day before. It was four mountain lions; one mother and three teenagers (appeared full size). Imagine that - four big cats in the talus right above the lakes.

[dave54]

Mountain lions do not form packs and kill for sport like wolves do.

[John Harper]

Ranchers get virtually free grazing rights on federal lands, water subsidies, and other federal subsidies that all of us Americans are on the hook for. They are also compensated for loss of livestock due to any wolf predation. Wolves have a right to exist in the ecosystem. Having grown up in a ranching and farming area (Fillmore) I have little economic sympathy for ranchers and farmers. They are the biggest welfare queens in our entire country.

Most ranching and farming operations would not even be economically viable without massive government subsidies (water projects) and corporate welfare (crop subsidies, etc). Take a look at the Imperial Valley and the Tulare Lake (Pine Flat Dam) area as an example. You think there would be farming operations there without "big guvmint" supplying water and/or flood control?

The "myth" of the rugged, independent rancher or farmer is just so much BS. None of them could make it without taxpayer bailouts.

John