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Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:07 pm
by BillyBobBurro

Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:20 am
by balzaccom
Wow! Impresive. That Marine Corps King Stallion is a bag damn helicopter---look at the prop wash that it generates. I am glad I do not have to work under something like that,

Meanwhile, the guys did what appears to be a really good job picking up ALL the pieces...

Now if we could get one of those for trail work...grin.

Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:08 am
by TurboHike
It's nice the wreckage was removed, but it's a shame they had to cut down so many trees to make room for the Stallion helicopter. Just look at all those freshly cut trees in the video!

Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:18 pm
by wildhiker
Yes, now the freshly cut trees are "litter".

Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:23 pm
by dave54
The clearing does look rather excessive to needs.

Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:25 pm
by dave54

Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:44 pm
by Lumbergh21
dave54 wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:23 pm The clearing does look rather excessive to needs.
Tell that to the helicopter pilot.

Re: SAR incident at Garnet Lake

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:58 pm
by dave54
Lumbergh21 wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:44 pm
dave54 wrote: Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:23 pm The clearing does look rather excessive to needs.
Tell that to the helicopter pilot.
The rule of thumb is 1.5 rotor diameter on the sides, 3x diameter approach and takeoff path. Hard to tell from the photo. He also did not land. The entire operation was external load. For a long line retrieval you need a canopy hole big enough for the load. We routinely did 150 foot long lines.

Wilderness LZ construction guidelines in a Wilderness can be waived in an emergency. I would have a hard time justifying the retrieval as an emergency.

When I was in the business, I had delegated authority to authorize LZ construction in the Wilderness. I like to think I was fairly judicious in granting approval.

I suspect the FS personnel on scene just went along with the military wishes in the name of interagency cooperation.

Will always say they want more space no matter how much they have.