Early season Kings Canyon

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George,

I can't tell you how appreciative I am of your post and really all the information i've found on this site.

We're pretty much heading into our circle of solitude attempt with the full realization that we may get to the first stream crossing and have to flat-out turn around or plan a significant cross-country jaunt. But using your chart, would you say that the below list is accurate as far as areas that we need to be especially concerned about on a counter-clockwise trip on the circle:

1. Around the Whaleback: This looks like it can be possible by staying a bit more to the east and trying to take a straighter line to the colby lake area.

2. Junction Meadow @ Kern & Wallace - Is there really no bridge here? It seems like, even in late summer this would be practically impassable. Any suggestion on an alternate route around this area?

3. Tyndall Creek - Really from Junction Meadow until the Center Basin area the trail seems almost impossible due to numerous creek/stream crossings. Looking at your chart, i'm not sure whether the Forester Pass route is an option.

I had my heart set on the circle of solitude but it looks like we might have to reconsider... or learn to walk on water.

Thanks again for the great information!!
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Continued thanks for comments.

Russ: what's involved in setting up a semi-live feed with Google Earth? I kind of looked at GE stand alone but not clear on how to do it. Neat concept and maybe next Fall when I have time... .

Sloop: This is NO bridge at the Kern at Junction Meadow. There is really no alternative once you get there. The real danger is you get there and try it because you feel it's too late to turn around. The west side of the river all the way up to Tyndall Creek or above is a major thrash.By mid-July, the Kern is maybe possible, but before that difficult to impossible. There is really no alternative to the Whaleback. At that time of year (mid-June) it's a gnarly route -- basically winter conditions if the snow hasn't melted.

Forester itself actually isn't the problem. PCT people are going over that. It's just the streams on your route and especially the Kern.

But for sure think about it and watch the reports on the melt. May not be a good idea in mid-June.... .

John: 1969!!! Yes, The BIG year! One of the classics in the El Nino cycle. It dates both of us that we remember it and have stories... .

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Sloop, what you are hearing here is correct: no bridge across Bubbs Creek to get to East Lake and Lake Reflection, and no bridge across Wallace Creek where it intersects the JMT.

If you are set on trying a version of the Circle of Solitude, try heading up Avalanche Pass to Big Wet Meadow, then up and over Colby Pass. In early season, Big Wet Meadow will have a lot of water and mosquitoes, but the stream crossings should be doable if you are safe and look for broad water. Once over the other side of Colby Pass, I would consider heading cross country over Milestone Pass rather than down into the Kern. This is a high route that is surprisingly easy and will involve no high water. (But you'll probably have to put up with gnarly suncups!) Once over the pass, you can make your way to the JMT and Forester Pass via several routes through Milestone Basin. Forester is steep from the south side, but by the time you plan to be there many other hikers will have plodded through, making the trail easy to spot even if some of it is still snow covered (which may be the case). The north side of Forester will have snow on it near the top, but the route is not steep. There are no unbridged big water stream crossings the rest of the way back to Cedar Grove.

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Mike,

That is a pretty good suggestion regarding the Milestone Pass, I kind of like how it fits into our scheduling, as well.

Our heart was not particularly set on the Circle of Solitude. Mostly, we wanted to swing by the Kern Canyon, which looks like it would be very difficult this early in the season. I was also considering the Rae Lakes Loop. If you had to choose a route at this time of year, originating from Road's End, which way would you go?

We'll just have to hope for cold temps to keep those mosquitos at bay! I wish we could have pushed this trip back until august/september, it certainly would have relieved a few concerns. Our vacation time doesn't carry over, though, oh well.

Thanks!

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Sloop, if I were you, I would opt for the Rae Lakes loop, which avoids any dangerous stream crossings. Early/mid June is a great time to visit Rae Lakes -- there will be very few people and the area really is spectacular (too bad it's so heavily used in the summer). Depending on conditions, there are a number of day hike options from Rae Lakes -- Sixty lakes Basin, Baxter Lake, etc. I did the loop in late May/early June 1977, and it was terrific. We had the place to ourselves. You'll probably see more snow this year than in 1977, but as long as you are willing to contend with snow cups, you'll be fine. In 1977, we brought snowshoes with us but never used them -- they don't work well when traveling over deep snow cups. Glen Pass is quite doable and safe in these snow conditions -- you just have to plod along. You will most likely find plenty of snow-free patches of ground to camp on at Rae Lakes, but the lakes themselves will probably still be frozen. As I recall, Woods Creek was high and raging in 1977, but there is a substantial bridge at the crossing.

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Thanks for the advice!

I think we're going to just hike to the vidette meadow, assuming we're going to do the rae lakes loop and see how we feel about the conditions. Worst case scenario we just day hike south a bit on the PCT and return back to our camp and continue on around. As if doing the Rae Lakes loop is some sort of consolation prize; we should be so lucky!
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Sloop, that sounds like a good plan -- just be flexible and you will have a great time.

FYI, I was searching the internet for some historical data that would show snowfall for SEKI over the years. I didn't come across anything for SEKI, but found information for Donner Summit through 2001. 1977 was one of the lightest snowfall years in recorded history, with 183 inches of snowfall (as opposed to snowpack) at Donner. 1985, with 412 inches of snowfall, is close to the median. While Donner enjoys a wetter climate than SEKI, you can probably use this data to infer that 1977 was a very dry year for SEKI and that 1985 was more typical.

This year, Donner is slightly above average for snowfall.

My guess is that this year in mid June you will find a lot of snow on the ground above 10,000 feet and high water in most streams. It will be beautiful. Be safe!

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Daily regional snowpack plots can be found here:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/snow/PLOT_SWC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can find the current snowpack by watershed here:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/snow/current/snow/pillowplots/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is a nice link for checking the flows on Sierra rivers:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/river/rivcond.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I agree with Mike. Ray Lakes Loop is a good choice also because there are so many great x-country places to go from this loop. A big advantage is that your can start up to these places and if the snow conditions aren't to your liking you can just turn around and go back to the loop with very little time lost. The next day there will be another option for you. This loop is just full of places to go. I personally went to Kid, Arrow, Window Peak, Woods, Twin, Baxter, Dragon, Sixty Lakes Basin, Gardner Basin, Reflection, Charlotte, Vidette Lakes, North Guard, Sphinx, and some lakes just West of Woods Creek Crossing. At one time or another I went to each of these places from the Rae Lakes Loop. I would not suggest this for a year like 1977. However I would for this year because there is much less snow than that year.
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In fact, I would NOT use 1977 as a good measure of this trip. 1977 was not only a drought year, it was the second of the two worst drought years in the last few decades in California. Rainfall in those years was about 60% of normal, two years in a row. The accumulated snowfall in May of 1977 would have been a tiny part of what we are seeing this year...
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