markorr wrote:thanks, they're selling a floorless version. I kind of like the idea of keeping the mosquitoes out.
Random question - I'm off to Mineral King in a few days, does anyone know where to buy chicken wire in San Francisco? or what else works to keep marmots out of the undercarriage of your car? Does plastic work?
Here's a photo of what one HST member did to keep them out, and here's a thread from a while back where this subject was discussed.
Here is a vote for the Fly Creek over the Contrail. I have had both and prefer the Fly Creek for several reasons: Smaller footprint, more wind-firm and fewer problems with condensation. My Fly Creek, with stakes, lines and a 24" x 72", light Tyvek ground cloth weighs 33.0 oz. The Contrail, seam sealed and with a non-skid coating applied to the floor. plus lines, stakes and ground cloth weighs 30.3 oz. The advantages of the Fly Creek are, to me, worth the extra three ounces.
The Contrail has a somewhat larger vestibule and is longer overall; I have had problems fitting it into tight quarters. OTOH, I'm not sure I'd recommend the Fly Creek for someone very much taller than my 5' 10".
For me, the big issue is condensation though. I have had condensation on the inside of the Contrail on several occasions under conditions where the Fly Creek has stayed dry. I have recently returned from a trip with the Fly Creek in the Rincon Mountains here in SE Arizona. Two of the three nights I was out there were intense thunderstorms. But, no leakage and no condensation. With the Contrail in similar conditions, I have had condensation but no leakage. But, with condensation and lots of big, fat, raindrops hitting the fabric the condensation gets knocked loose and onto your sleeping gear - not good!
