Visalia (Bear Can / Resupply Questions)

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Re: Visalia

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kpeter wrote: The bears that ate a lot of backpacker food in the 1980s and early 1990s have all died out by now, and so the canister rule has worked well enough to train a new generation of bears not to associate the smell of backpacker food with something edible. Does that mean you can get away without canisters now? Possibly--because today's backpackers may benefit from all the pain of the previous generation carrying those heavy canisters. But if you make a mistake and a bear does get your food you have created a problem bear for the rest of that bear's life. Bears typically live 10-15 years in the wild.
Typically, but there is an old lady of 30+ years living In Tuolumne Meadows. Habituated bears live a long, long time.

I would not place bets on those bears having died out. I had a mother and cub sneaking up on me one day whilst I was sitting on a log eating a sandwich. It was quite clear she was training that youngster. I stood up and stood my ground, and they walked away. Minutes later a ranger with a chest pack and radios came along - he was following the bear out of Little Yosemite Valley, making sure she was leaving the area, because she was one of the problem bears who sneak up on people while they are cooking in camp and grabbing food when your back is turned.

Never, ever underestimate the drive of habituated bears to get your food, and they will never get it.
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Re: Visalia

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SEKI has bear boxes in many locations, so you might be able to get by with the smaller canister if your first night or two is spent in a location with a bear box. This will somewhat limit where you can camp those nights, but it's probably best to go easy and acclimate to the altitude anyway. Contrary to a previous poster I've found the rangers helpful in determining where bear boxes are available.

Another thing to consider is whether you can have any on-line purchases you make shipped to your hotel. Could be easier than the post office.


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SEKI has bear boxes in many locations, so you might be able to get by with the smaller canister if your first night or two is spent in a location with a bear box.
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Re: Visalia

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There are a few places in Visalia to get food and gear. The best option is Sport Chalet on Mooney Blvd just south of Caldwell. They have a big selection of both food and gear, approaching the level of the Fresno REI. There is also a Walmart across Mooney from Sport Chalet and they have a few choices of freeze-dried food. There is a WinCo on Caldwell about a mile west of Mooney, and they have a few different kinds of bars (things like Clif) but I don't recall seeing freeze dried food there (that is where I do my grocery shopping). Bear in mind that WinCo does not take credit cards, but will take debit cards.

I always use a canister, even when not in a canister-required area. They are so much more convenient than trying to hang food. And protection against marmots and rodents is important. Those marmots get pretty aggressive. If you are going for eight days it will be a tight fit to get your food in the canister the first night, you will need to repackage the freeze-dried food in ziplock baggies. If you are renting canisters, remember that the Garcia is 615 cu in and also has a design that makes it difficult to make full use of all 615 cu in because it is hard to pack the final portion in the top just inside the lid, around the rim of the canister. The Bearikade weekender is 650 cu in (I use one of those, and it has worked for me for up to nine days). And the BearVault is even bigger. If your itinerary takes you to places with bear boxes the first night or two you can use those. Unless you are taking a route that is popular with horse packers, the bear boxes are usually available. Kearsarge and Charlotte are popular with horsepackers, hence the stories of finding the boxes full.
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Re: Visalia

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Why go to Visalia at all? Rent a car in LA, do your shopping there, and go directly to the park. It is not so expensive, especially with a group, and you'll save money on bus fares, and hours if not days of time. (Days because of lining schedules up, versus going on your own schedule.) And it is so much less stressful not to have to worry about all this stuff (shipping your food to a post office?!).

Land in LA at 6:30am, spend the first day sorting out your supplies, drive up and start hiking the next day. (Or chill at a park campground---infinitely better than a Visalia motel, and much cheaper, too.) That's 1 1/2 or two full days you've saved right there!
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