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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby longri » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:46 pm

Jimr wrote:If you can pack it in, you can pack it out.

I have never packed in spent coffee grounds.

The problem with coffee (and let's be honest, VIA is not coffee) is that the grounds absorb enough water to increase their weight by a factor of about three.



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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby rlown » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:54 pm

seriously.. 2 pages on coffee grounds?
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby John Dittli » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:02 pm

good coffee (grounds) takes a lot of thought. And I'm laid up with gout and nothing better to do.

But seriously, if sense was common and people used it, we wouldn't be having this discussion and we wouldn't need laws regarding it. Which, by the way, you can be cited for leaving food, including coffee grounds (there is no Starbucks clause in the CFR).
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby rlown » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:11 pm

It's fun though. I want a personal concierge ranger assigned to me to see what i do with anything I take in or out. :)
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby John Dittli » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:22 pm

A good ranger can smell bad coffee grounds a mile away! :paranoid:
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby artrock23 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:41 pm

caddis wrote:At this rate, we'll be told to pack our urine out too. :rolleyes:

I won't be surprised to see a reverse osmosis urine filter win editors choice in Backpacking Mag. soon :\


:nod: :nod:

Good on the OP for being conscientious enough to ask about coffee grounds, but c'mon... "Pack it in, pack it out", from my understanding, has always referred to non-biodegradable items.

As for me, after toting around a backpackers French press and real coffee for a couple of seasons, I switched to instant (Via, etc.). Love the simplicity, less weight, no coffee grounds, etc. I'm a coffee snob at home... 'roughing-it' with instant on climbing trips is no biggie.
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby Rockchucker » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:29 am

Or don't even bring coffee!
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby John Dittli » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:12 am

All right. I've had my coffee, tea actually, the leaves are in the compost, so now it's time for the :soapbox:

There is no biodegradable exemption or "except when wet" exemption, or any other exemption, to the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) when it comes to trash in Wilderness.

There is no recycling service, or composting, so it is not OK to leave food scraps, TP, tin cans, orange peels or anything else that might bio or photo degrad over time. I can see the look on the rangers face when you tell them: " but my Cheerio's were wet, so I left them".

We can talk about the reasons why the law doesn't allow for dumping of "organic" material (animals digging it up, un-sightly, it just doesn't belong there etc) but that really isn't the point.

The original poster asked if it was ok to dump coffee grounds (I think?), and by law, it's not. I would think as a responsible forum, we would want those going into the Sierra to respect the laws required for their visit (whether we do or not).

We all decide which rules we are going to break, bend or disregard, and nothing I say is going to change that. But let's at least steer people in the lawful direction and let them figure out what rules they will break on their own.

In the meantime, when an angry bear comes after me with a caffeine headache, I'll know which list members to come after :)

BTW, does HST have a neighborhood cleanup day? I found a camp (a few years old) out on the end of San Joaquin Ridge that someone left (probably because it was wet). It is biodegrading/composting, but it needs to come out. Any interest?

Yes, my foot feels a little better, thank you....

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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby Vaca Russ » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:27 am

I agree with Balzaccom and Artrock 23. Pack in VIA. If the taste bothers you, pack in a little sugar.

I do NOT agree with Rockchucker:

Rockchucker wrote:Or don't even bring coffee!


No coffee! C'mon man...be serious. :)

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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby longri » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:30 am

John Dittli wrote:The original poster asked if it was ok to dump coffee grounds (I think?), and by law, it's not. I would think as a responsible forum, we would want those going into the Sierra to respect the laws required for their visit (whether we do or not).

We all decide which rules we are going to break, bend or disregard, and nothing I say is going to change that. But let's at least steer people in the lawful direction and let them figure out what rules they will break on their own.

I wasn't asking about the legality of it. I wanted to know if was harmful to the environment and, if so, in what way exactly. Also, does any harm depend on the type of terrain, elevation, vegetation, soil, precipitation, and level of human visitation?
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby longri » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:32 am

Vaca Russ wrote:I agree with Balzaccom and Artrock 23. Pack in VIA. If the taste bothers you, pack in a little sugar.

VIA tastes almost exactly like Starbucks coffee, so I pack in both sugar and half & half to make that charcoal flavored stuff drinkable. It also costs twice as much per cup as freshly roasted artisan beans.
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Re: Coffee grounds

Postby rlown » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:42 am

longri wrote:I wasn't asking about the legality of it. I wanted to know if was harmful to the environment and, if so, in what way exactly. Also, does any harm depend on the type of terrain, elevation, vegetation, soil, precipitation, and level of human visitation?


It's not any more harmful than other "stuff" we bury. I do tend to bury the grounds from the Press. If i'm in a talus zone, it might not get buried. I don't just put a big pile of grounds sitting there for someone to stumble upon. Some of the presses seem to come apart rather abruptly about day 7. And with some twist ties, stripped (wire), i can put them back together. The new TI versions might be better but very few trips these days with other coffee drinkers. Most are doing Tea now.

I only take the press on trips with others that enjoy that type of coffee. If I don't have other coffee drinkers on a trip, i take the Via. no sugar though.
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