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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby 87TT » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:39 pm

I do both on my lab. Vacine every year and she has had the training twice. They say you should get the vacine just before the snakes come out in the spring so it will be the most effective. I guess it starts to be less effective after six months or so.



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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby overheadx2 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:20 pm

Bill, I went online and looked for side effect of the vaccine, and couldn't find any thing besides a possible lump at the injection site or possible flu like symptoms. There was no discussion of serious side effects. Did he mention what he thought could possibly happen?
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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby DriveFly44 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:30 pm

I consulted 5 different vets and they all supported the shot. Doesn't mean that the vaccination is void of side effects but I don't know of any that are of concern. I'm sure you can find a vet that has concerns - like Bills. But obviously after my situation that I documented in this topic, I was willing to do it. To each their own.


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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby whrdafamI? » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:41 pm

Here is the interesting part. The people that do the aversion class also advised against the vaccine. The lady said she has seen huge lumps on dogs that have had the vaccine that don't go away. I have mixed feelings at this point. Part of me says do it and the other part says don't. In defense of the don't I have been backpacking now for over 45 yrs. and have not encountered one rattler yet. Doesn't mean I can't or that I won't either. I believe that I will research the vaccine a little bit further before I decide.
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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby 87TT » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:39 pm

My Lab has had it for the last three years (3X) and no side effects.
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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby rlown » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:44 pm

If I were a vet, i'd support the shot as well; more $'s inbound. Mine said flat out they don't do it as the efficacy isn't there. YVMMV. They pointed me to other vets who would do it. I can't find an actual historical study on the side effects. Drug companies are fun that way.

Personally, i'd go with two rounds of the aversion therapy.
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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby overheadx2 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:59 pm

If you look at the U.C. Davis site regarding the vaccine it states that common side effects are simple lumps and cysts that resolve within weeks. A less common side effect is flu like symptoms. The one side effect that seems to be the problem is the possibility of anaphylactic shock which accurs in 1 out of every 250k vaccines. The strange thing is that I don't ever get the flu shot for the exact same reason. I often got flu symptoms from the vaccine, and am slightly concerned about death and partial permanent paralysis associated with Guillain-barre disease from 1 in 750k flu vaccinations (I have met a guy who is hemiplegic from being vaccinated). So if you are willing to take the risk of death or paralysis on a flu vaccination so you don't get sick, I wouldn't see why you would concern yourself with vaccinating your dog for a possible fatal bite. That said, I'll still have to think about it. Phil
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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby chrisdiercks » Tue May 21, 2013 11:10 am

My gsp has been getting the vaccine since she was 1 year, and has had the aversion training (sight, smell, and sound). She is over 6 now and we have never had a problem. I do remember our vet splitting the first dose up into 2 the first time around to lessen any side effects (this was 5 years ago) and she was lethargic/not feeling well for a few weeks after the first round. After that she was good to go. Our vet works with field dogs and told me that he feels the vaccine has saved a couple dogs lives. A friend of ours lab (without the vaccine) got tagged by a western diamondback; left holes 1.25" apart, in the lower leg. Three anti-venom vials (down here $700 a vial) plus blood monitoring later, the bill was basically $3500. Vaccine would have lowered that I was told.

Aversion training can be a work in progress. Another friend of mine and I had our hunting dogs take the classes the same time. His dog won't even cross over a rattlesnake track, where as mine is just more cautious. She is excellent with the "leave it" command though, and we get lots of practice each year :unibrow: . Hence, I keep up on the vaccine.
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Re: Dog got hit by a rattlesnake

Postby overheadx2 » Tue May 21, 2013 1:55 pm

Took my dog out for a hike up to mount San Gabriel two weeks ago after the aversion training and ran across another rattler. Amazingly we almost stepped on it as it was on the trail sunning. The thing didn't rattle, but slowly started to move off the trail. The dog was certainly more cautious but still wanted to go see it and sniff it. If she would have been off leash there is a strong chance she would have got bit again. Back to round two of avertion training. The training made her more cautious, but she is still a curious puppy.
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