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Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby maverick » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:48 am

During your backpacking careers which political party has served you better as
a backpacker? Which president has done the most to protect the Sierra and its
environment? Give example of what they did. Do any state/county representatives
that you know of stand out when it come to protecting the Sierra? If yes, name
them and their party, and what they did to protect or better the Sierra.
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby Tom » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:08 am

This would not be be a direct answer...mostly because I shy away from political discussions.

However, For awhile I had a re-occurring dream that I was backpacking north of the Brooks Range. Many days out I came across a camp that was sheltered in a small grove of stunted trees and was guarded by several men in suits. Turns out that they are secret service for former President Jimmy Carter.

He, along with Rosalind, are checking out an area that he had designated as wilderness. The wilderness act never really happened but the dream seems real and after fishing (for grayling) and swapping stories with the "Prez" I move on to another camp.

Real or not it was one of the good dreams. It beats the one where I'm standing on top of the pyramid, dressed in a robe and very tiny people are throwing gherkins at me (apologies to Val Kilmer).

Should we ask what religion has helped out in the wilderness?
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby rlown » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:37 am

Hey Mav,

Why not kick it off with an personal example.

I have a few ideas on the topic: Why is Hetch Hetchy still there? Why didn't 168 get built over all the way through; 120 did and a NPS is by definition wilderness, so how is it different? Then there's the Sierra Club. I never liked them, but they have done some good work.

It really doesn't seem to be about a president. It all comes down to money.

I knew a ranger in Moke who would just "show up" wherever i seemed to be going. Ranger Rick (yes no joke). He personally expanded that wilderness in the mid/late 70's. Seems those are more the heroes we should be looking for.
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby sparky » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:52 pm

I honestly don't know enough about these things to have a passionate opinion one way or the other, I am just very skeptical, jaded, suspicious when it comes to money and power.

I don't trust red or blue. I see them both as a giant clusterfuck of smoke and mirrors.

I do appreciate that the Sierra has been well protected. I will always do what I can to keep it that way. I honestly don't care who has done what in the past, because right now both parties are completely broken

? Then there's the Sierra Club. I never liked them, but they have done some good work.

It really doesn't seem to be about a president. It all comes down to money.
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby Rockchucker » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:54 pm

I personally distrust both sides. I truly feel we are being duped by corporate America. Big money rules all. The parties are nothing but puppets.
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby dave54 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:35 pm

Local citizenry working for a common cause has done more than either poltical party. Or should I phrase it as in spite of either politcal party.
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby oldranger » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:26 am

Teddy!

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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby balzaccom » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:50 am

Think globally, act locally. Do what you can that will do the most good for the region you love...and hope/support others to do the same.

Which might be a good secondary topic for these boards. Who is doing good work in your area to preserve the wilderness that you love? I'll suggest one--an NGO (non-governmental agency) that is working to protect the Sierra:

http://www.cserc.org/index.html
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby dave54 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:58 pm

oldranger wrote:Teddy!

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I take it you are referring to the President Teddy. He is an odd choice for a hero to the environmental industry. His autobiography details his philosophy on land management issues. He created the National Forests not to 'protect' them from private timber companies. Exactly the opposite. The timber barons were not developing the federally owned timber lands. They were intentionally making them off limits to create a cartel where the timber companies controlled prices through controlling supply. Teddy created the national forests to hasten their utilization and provide an economic base for rural communities (read the Organic Act), and moved them from Interior to Agriculture to get them out of the political cronyism and corruption of Interior. He created the National Wildlife Refuges to maintain wildlife populations for hunting, not protecting wildlife from hunting. His national monuments were to create a tourism economy for local communities, besides his interest in preserving history.

If Teddy were president today the the environmental industry would be excoriating him for his land management policies.
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby oldranger » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:06 am

Dave

Ah the point is not what he intended but the consequences of his actions. Probably would not have been a lot left to protect under the Wilderness Act without National Forests in the first place.

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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby rlown » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:24 am

Pretty sure "intent" would be the point. Aftermath of one's passion is another discussion.
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Re: Politics, Backpacking, Sierra

Postby markskor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:12 am

Not a political party but - (consequences vs. intent?) -
I would like to nominate a few global corporations, those industries whose corporate message and products have highly contributed to keeping my Sierra pristine.

1) The fast food industry whose high caloric meals offered have produced populations of individuals now incapable of venturing more than 100 feet off trail.

2) The video game industry who encourage a sedentary couch-potato mentality.

3) The over-priced, middle man driven, "Made in China," gear manufacturers whose high-priced stuff now prohibit many from assembling what they are told (in glossy advertisements) is a decent kit.

4) The local fish-stocking industry - the big tanker trucks that drive up and belch forth stockers at put-n-take lakes...keeps the yahoos out of the backcountry.

5) The shrinking quota keepers and all the other "on-line" bureaucracies that make it harder and harder to get wilderness permits.

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