dave54- good points. I understand the issues regarding the grazing fee and so on, and the inherent contradiction in the agency mandates, and thanks for clarifying and pointing that out. In my experience these same mandates are applied in different ways in different forests, reflecting the particular "bias" and philosophy of the Supervisor and staff.
I am only directly familiar with the Stanislaus Nat'l. Forest management issues (and somewhat in Humboldt-Toiyabe), which I have followed for many years. Having read various EIS and planning/impacts documents, I don't recall that a case has been made that in the *alpine* environment of Amador, Calaveras, Alpine, and Tuolumne counties 6,000-10,000 ft., the cattle are actually improving the habitat in any way. As I said above, in my experience, and others who document these things, it has proven to be very difficult if not impossible, to prevent a net destructive impact on the riparian habitat in that elevation range. I think there are important differences between Modoc and say Stanislaus, not just geologically, but also perhaps in the management of the resource. Sounds like Modoc is a bit more forward looking in that regard. It is gratifying to hear about the successes in Modoc and that is welcome news. But in my experience Stanislaus has been slow to acknowledge the problems, and Humboldt-Toiyabe even more so.
You bring up good points about the growing realization that grazing in the foothills may be better than another subdivision off Hwy 49 and there abouts. And to the degree that the high country "free" grazing is a financial necessity for that, it is perhaps a worthwhile bargain. Just anecdotally, the grazing families that I know from the Calaveras area are not in that position. They are doing quite well. Of course I don't see the whole picture, but I'd like to see the tax records of all the permitees to asses to what degree this is a lifestyle choice (running cattle to the high country) as opposed to finding summer forage for the same cattle at market rates. I understand the arguments, but I'd like to see the data. I'm guessing- just guessing- that if the high country grazing ended today, it would not be a deal breaker for most of the grazing families (the ones that I know have other robust sources of income). But I could be wrong about that.
Boy I would love to see a win-win situation in Stanislaus like you describe in Modoc. As I said previously I'm not hostile to the idea, but have seen a whole lot of damage done because it is so hard to physically manage the animals in the alpine back-country.
As oldranger pointed out, there are fewer animals in play now than 20-100 years ago. In the end there frankly aren't THAT many cattle in the central Sierra high country- but the rub is that it doesn't take many to raise hell.