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Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby Sierra Maclure » Fri May 06, 2011 4:40 pm

From Karen Najarian to YNP's FB page:
What's up with the removal of the bathrooms and water spigot at the Yos. Valley Backpacker's Camp?

From YNP:
Yosemite National Park This is part of a larger utility replacement project ongoing for the past few years to replace/relocate aging utility lines and to remove over a dozen river crossings in order to reduce river impacts. In this case, the sewer line crossing Tenaya Creek was causing unacceptable impacts to the creek, so it was removed. There will be vault toilets installed, but no water will be available.

From K: Bad move. Total Bummer. Your tax dollars at work. ](*,)



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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby maverick » Fri May 06, 2011 4:44 pm

Thanks SM for the update.
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby AlmostThere » Fri May 06, 2011 10:06 pm

Well, at least there won't be the annoying 1 am lightups followed by the flush any more. The motion sensor lights lit up the whole campground, and when the place is packed, the bathroom got a lot of use.
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby gary c. » Sat May 07, 2011 9:23 am

AlmostThere wrote:Well, at least there won't be the annoying 1 am lightups followed by the flush any more. The motion sensor lights lit up the whole campground, and when the place is packed, the bathroom got a lot of use.

I was thinking the same thing when Mark first posted about the renovation. It is a shame to loose the bathroom but that sensor light was a real pain after a week in the backcountry. I would wake up everytime it came on.
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby markskor » Sat May 07, 2011 10:13 am

Funny, recall having a long conversation with YNP Valley "officials" concerning those very same obnoxious lights a few years ago -
Asked them, why not just get rid of the damn motion sensors altogether (at least after 10:00 PM) as everybody camped there was supposedly a backpacker, and thus carried/ had a headlamp anyway.
Ironically, was told that some changes were a'coming, but never imagined these "improvements" would entail their total removal - both the toilets and potable water.
I suppose sewage problems, seepage, erosion, and the cost to fix (real or not) mandated the toilet's removal, but why take out the potable water too? How much trouble would it be to run couple hundred feet of pipe from...Stables?
Without hi-jacking a thread, this just adds to the lore of the great Sierra backcountry crappers now lost - gone... Whitney, Washburn, just to name a few more.
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby rlown » Sat May 07, 2011 6:13 pm

If you really need to relive the all-night motion sensor light's glow, they still have one in Glen Aulin in their toilet. :retard:

Surprisingly even open after the camp closes.. A welcome surprise.
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby snusmumriken » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:10 pm

Quick update: The new bathrooms have been installed.
I was in Yosemite for a few days and checked out the backpackers campground.
Six vault toilets in what looks a pretty permanent building. No water.
Unfortunately they are a bit stinky already :(
No electricity, no lights.
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby markskor » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:23 pm

Puzzled still as to why they cannot run a pipe (hose?) from the stables providing potable water. Appreciate that there are no more night-light motion sensors :thumbsup: ...but abhor the idea of stinky vault toilets (porta-potties) :thumbsdown: . Are we now relegated to second class citizens? BTW, Anyone here remember the old LYV facilities?

Another brief question, since you were just there and hopefully YNP reads this forum too:
Last year at high water, (BTW, sources say expected in the next few days), there was some flooding at the BP camp: the small BP stone bridge was impassible/underwater - had to walk in from Ahwahnee...no big deal but.

Anyway, question is how do you then get water at BP camp? Filter?

Planning being there on the 22nd and was just wondering.
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby snusmumriken » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:02 pm

They had the bridge blocked off with caution tape while I was there. It wasn't yet impassably flooded (probably is by now) so people were using the bridge anyway.

Yes, you'd have to filter or take a rather long walk around. But the flooding shouldn't last too long.

More of an issue in my mind is that I saw a lot of people going down to the river to rinse off their hands after using the bathroom. Really hope that they were not using soap!
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby Sierra Maclure » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:46 am

Stinky toilets, no potable water, a bear gun blast 4 feet from a friend's head at 1 am, a camper sleeping under the stars trampled by the stampeding bear, and the arrival of an ambulance for said sleeper made for a rough night in the BP camp last Th. And this used to be, in my mind, the most peaceful campground in Yosemite Valley. :(
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby condorhiker » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:16 pm

I camped overnight at the YV Backpackers' Camp on July 29. Indeed there was no running water in the camp. The NPS website notes that there is water in the "nearby" North Pines Campground. "Nearby" as in approximately 300 yards from where I camped! Try walking that in the dark with contact lenses out over the busted concrete trail!
A previous poster said that YNP stated, "no water will be available." But the question is, "Why not?" There is a large live water line to a fire hydrant in the middle of the Backpackers' Camp. It would cost next to nothing to install a spigot on that pipe.
It appears that YNP has made a conscious decision not to supply running water to the backpackers. Why? Are they trying to discourage backpackers from using the camp?
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Re: Yosemite Valley Backpackers Camp sewer & water.

Postby markskor » Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:55 pm

As explained to me by YNP concerning why no potable water in the Valley BP camp -
If they had potable water available in the camp, then folks would be tempted to wash dishes there and some sort of drain would then be required. Without such a drain, (BTW, impossible now as the sewer line starts at the stables/ other side Tenaya Creek), this would lead to more sanitation problems. I countered with the fact that there is water available in Tuolumne BP camp and there is no drain ...no such problems exist up there? (In fact, a ranger told me that the Tuolumne BP camp was the cleanest camp in all Tuolumne.)

Never said their reasoning made any sense.
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