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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby maverick » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:07 am

Schmalz wrote:

I'm going to be on the east side for the next two weekends and was wondering if the
bathrooms at the trailheads will be open at least.


No, since their is no one to maintain/clean them. :\
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby kutty » Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:19 am

I had plans on Sat to head to Desolation Wilderness, entering in at fallen leaf for 3 days of backcountry fishing. Any thoughts of if I should just go even though there is no way to get a permit?
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby schmalz » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:24 am

maverick wrote:
Schmalz wrote:

I'm going to be on the east side for the next two weekends and was wondering if the
bathrooms at the trailheads will be open at least.


No, since their is no one to maintain/clean them. :\


Yeah, that's what I figured. Good thing I'm experienced with pooping in the woods! haha.

I wonder if this will thin out the crowds out there in the National Forest until things blow over. Could be nice for those of us that do go.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby Tom_H » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:59 pm

kutty wrote:I had plans on Sat to head to Desolation Wilderness, entering in at fallen leaf for 3 days of backcountry fishing. Any thoughts of if I should just go even though there is no way to get a permit?


Hi and welcome to the forum. The road in is private property right up to the regular gate anyway, and even then, there are private buildings within the NF before you get to the wilderness area. Once you enter the wilderness area, trails branch off in several directions. If you live not too far away and getting turned back wouldn't be too much imposition, I would go for it. If you are coming from far away, could you have an alternate plan? There are a lot of other trails in the Tahoe area, and there is no way with furloughs that rangers are going to be patrolling all of them. You have the Freel Peak area, Mt. Rose, Echo, Meeks, Eagle Falls, trails out of Squaw and Alpine, Spooner, Donner, Hope Valley. If you get turned away at one location, there's always someqhere else. And then there's the lake itself with so many fun things to do. I lived there in the late 70s and weekdays in October are sublime with very few other visitors.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby kutty » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:12 pm

Tom_H wrote:
kutty wrote:I had plans on Sat to head to Desolation Wilderness, entering in at fallen leaf for 3 days of backcountry fishing. Any thoughts of if I should just go even though there is no way to get a permit?


Hi and welcome to the forum. The road in is private property right up to the regular gate anyway, and even then, there are private buildings within the NF before you get to the wilderness area. Once you enter the wilderness area, trails branch off in several directions. If you live not too far away and getting turned back wouldn't be too much imposition, I would go for it. If you are coming from far away, could you have an alternate plan? There are a lot of other trails in the Tahoe area, and there is no way with furloughs that rangers are going to be patrolling all of them. You have the Freel Peak area, Mt. Rose, Echo, Meeks, trails out of Squaw and Alpine, Spooner, Donner, Hope Valley. If you get turned away at one location, there's always someqhere else. And then there's the lake itself with so many fun things to do. I lived there in the late 70s and weekdays in October are sublime with very few other visitors.


I have about a 4 hour drive there - so its long enough of a drive. My plan was to hike in say 5-8 miles, setup camp, and give myself 2 days to dayhike and fish, maybe covering 3-5 miles to different lakes on the day hikes. So, it needs to have access to different lakes / streams and decent hiking. The area around Susie lake looks great, several lakes around there that can be done in a lazy manner and having fun. If I do get turned away I would likely head south, but Id rather not spend more than another hour driving somewhere else, otherwise the day is shot driving instead of hiking.

If anyone knows of another spot that would fit those requirements, let me know.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby maverick » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:33 pm

First SAR to suffer the affects of the shutdown: http://www.businessinsider.com/governme ... ue-2013-10
Watch out, SAR may not be able to help or at least be delayed if you go hiking/climbing
into one of the National Parks.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby mediauras » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:00 pm

kutty wrote:
Tom_H wrote:
kutty wrote:I had plans on Sat to head to Desolation Wilderness, entering in at fallen leaf for 3 days of backcountry fishing. Any thoughts of if I should just go even though there is no way to get a permit?


Hi and welcome to the forum. The road in is private property right up to the regular gate anyway, and even then, there are private buildings within the NF before you get to the wilderness area. Once you enter the wilderness area, trails branch off in several directions. If you live not too far away and getting turned back wouldn't be too much imposition, I would go for it. If you are coming from far away, could you have an alternate plan? There are a lot of other trails in the Tahoe area, and there is no way with furloughs that rangers are going to be patrolling all of them. You have the Freel Peak area, Mt. Rose, Echo, Meeks, trails out of Squaw and Alpine, Spooner, Donner, Hope Valley. If you get turned away at one location, there's always someqhere else. And then there's the lake itself with so many fun things to do. I lived there in the late 70s and weekdays in October are sublime with very few other visitors.


I have about a 4 hour drive there - so its long enough of a drive. My plan was to hike in say 5-8 miles, setup camp, and give myself 2 days to dayhike and fish, maybe covering 3-5 miles to different lakes on the day hikes. So, it needs to have access to different lakes / streams and decent hiking. The area around Susie lake looks great, several lakes around there that can be done in a lazy manner and having fun. If I do get turned away I would likely head south, but Id rather not spend more than another hour driving somewhere else, otherwise the day is shot driving instead of hiking.

If anyone knows of another spot that would fit those requirements, let me know.


Maybe call the fires station by Fallen Leaf and ask them about access to the GLen Alpine TH and parking area. I bet you'd be fine though.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby maverick » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:18 pm

Hi Kutty,

Welcome to HST!
According to this the roads should be open: http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/ltbmu/new ... RDB5437905
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby Tom_H » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:23 pm

kutty wrote:I have about a 4 hour drive there - so its long enough of a drive. My plan was to hike in say 5-8 miles, setup camp, and give myself 2 days to dayhike and fish, maybe covering 3-5 miles to different lakes on the day hikes. So, it needs to have access to different lakes / streams and decent hiking. The area around Susie lake looks great, several lakes around there that can be done in a lazy manner and having fun. If I do get turned away I would likely head south, but Id rather not spend more than another hour driving somewhere else, otherwise the day is shot driving instead of hiking.

If anyone knows of another spot that would fit those requirements, let me know.


Going in at Meeks Bay, up Meeks Creek, over Phipps Pass, down through the Velmas and out at Eagle Falls (Emerald Bay) is a possibility.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby vitaminC » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:29 pm

Inyo Forest Info (from another forum):

USFS managed campgrounds are closed or are being closed. Concession managed campgrounds on forest service land will close in the next 48 hours. Dispersed camping, however, is still allowed. Developed day use areas are closed. Trails are open to day use, however there is no overnight use or hiking allowed where a permit is required (e.g. Mt Whitney).
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby maverick » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:30 pm

Affects of government shutdown on Forest service:

Forest Service offices nationwide are carrying out the "orderly shutdown" process
outlined in the OMB's contingency plan for the agency. Only activities that are
essential to protect life and property (firefighters and law enforcement mostly)
are still operating at normal staffing. However, the shutdown plan calls for only
41% of personnel in those categories to be available after Day 5 of the shutdown
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby DavePloessel » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:08 am

Does anybody have any info on 4x4 roads like coyote flat or monache jeep trail?

Also does anyone know if the road/parking/th is open at north lake/piute/lamarck access points?
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