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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby SPeacock » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:03 am

I've often wondered who voted those knuckleheads in. Apparently they haven't figured out what the people are interested in. Pick any emotionally charged topic and you will find 20% for, 20% against, 60% would rather they work on other important things.

If no 'rangers' watching the store and no barricade, seems like a few would have taken the advantage.



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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby East Side Hiker » Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:21 pm

They cannot keep us out of the mtns.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby texan » Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:29 pm

East Side Hiker wrote:They cannot keep us out of the mtns.


I agree with you. It won't keep me out of the mountains.

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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby tim » Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:16 am

Seems like it might be time for a bump to this thread :angry:
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby mort » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:27 pm

tim wrote:Seems like it might be time for a bump to this thread :angry:

I just called the Eastern Sierra Interagency Visitor Center (760) 876-6222, the ranger station just south of Lone Pine. Deborah said she'll be there Tuesday. Now that place is "owned" by the Forest Service but is operated by: Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, Inyo County, Mono County, California Department of Transportation, California Department of Fish and Wildlife and Federal agencies.
The conclusion of the thread last time seemed to be that the wilderness doesn't close just because the rangers don't come to work.

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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby dave54 » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:03 pm

Tom wrote:Does a shutdown mean that there will be no one patrolling the backcountry and therefore no need to worry about permits? ...just wondering.

Yep.

LEOs and firefighters are essential, so no furloughs. Backcountry patrols are not essential, so they are furloughed. LEOs will not be patrolling backcountry trails, too many other higher priorities.

Firefighters will be laid off in areas already out of fire season.

The forest itself cannot be closed down except by special order, and the only ones that can sign the order will be furloughed.

There are still some little known federal regulations on the books that guarantee right of access to residents that live inside the NF (like me) even when closed.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby 87TT » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:01 pm

I'm going in on Monday one way or another. :D
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby sparky » Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:51 am

A shutdown of national parks only appeals to me even more. An empty backcountry!!

And why in the hell do we keep voting in republicans and democrats? Can we eliminate them already?
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby rlown » Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:54 am

evidently it means they can still go in and plan gill-netting fish. As for access, if no one is there to stop you, it's our land!

On the permit topic, even if you can't get one, try to get one, and then leave some paper trail of your plans. Silly not to really, and helps out SAR initiation bigtime! in case.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby maverick » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:19 am

Wonder how this will affect SAR response times, and will you be charged for the
whole thing because you entered a closed park?
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby lensman137 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:37 pm

FYI -- I just now got off the phone with the ranger at Summit Ranger Station near Pinecrest, and asked her about the potential shutdown situation. She told me that they will NOT be closing access roads to the trail heads in that particular Stanislaus NF area, but the ranger stations may be closed. She actually said IF they are closed, then just go in anyway, but be advised that this could complicate any S&R ops, should they be needed. So, be sure to leave a detailed itinerary with someone back home. I'm doing an 8 to 10 day trip on October 15th deep into the southern Emigrant and Northern Yosemite area, and requested a permit to be mailed to me tomorrow, which she consented to doing. So, bottom line is that in the Stanislaus, it's pretty much business as usual. I'm not going solo, but with another very experienced friend, and will be carrying a PLB, which is a prudent idea when going into the back country this late in the year. And yes, I'm aware that IF the shutdown does indeed take place, that Yosemite will be closed. But I'll take my chances on a citation, and go in anyway, weather permitting, of course. ;-)
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby rlown » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:29 pm

So, SAR is generally Sheriff first (except NP). Sheriff jurisdiction isn't affected directly by the shutdown.
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