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What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby amigo » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:44 pm

I'm not from the U.S., but if the govt shuts down, I've read that National Parks will be closed. I believe all or most NP's have gates so assume they'll be closed.

What does it mean for National Forests? Will they be accessible for hiking?

What about wilderness backpacking starting in a NF and leading to a NP (e.g., starting in Inyo NF and backpacking into Yosemite)?

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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby maverick » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:22 pm

Hi Amigo

You will not be able to backpack since the offices will be closed down, and therefore
you cannot obtain a backpacking permit.
This info is from the Inyo NF office in Bishop, but hopefully the government will get
there act together, but don't hold your breath.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby kpeter » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:46 pm

The shutdown in 1995-96 lasted off and on through six weeks, but that was November-January. Let's hope this is resolved more rapidly, or even tonight.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby Mike M. » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:11 pm

I have not heard anyone say they would shut down the National Forest offices, such as the one in Bishop where so many of us pick up our permits. There may in fact be plans to do just that, but I have not heard definitively. That said, it is highly unlikely any shut down will extend beyond a few weeks.

In the unlikely event the budget impasse extends into the summer and does affect permit stations, you could still backpack, you just wouldn't be carrying the required wilderness permit. Who would fault you for that?

Put another way: I personally will be going into the backcountry this summer, come hell or high water -- ain't no way this hombre will let reactionary politicians back east spoil my plans, permit or no.

Mike
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby rlown » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:14 pm

+1.. permits secured already. at least the letter.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby maverick » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:40 pm

Mike, I called, and was told that they will be shut down, again this is from the
Inyo NF office in Bishop, if Washington doesn't resolves the budget.
Hopefully this will be resolved, way before the season is in high gear, and hopefully
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby rlown » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:43 pm

quit it already. jeez.. they need the pay as well. and we're currently snowbound, so what is the deal?
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby Mike M. » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:46 pm

Maverick, thanks for the info.

It's like a giant game of chicken. Who will swerve first?

I can just see it -- a lawless backcountry! Tin foil in every firepit. Flocks of sheep, with their Basque shepherds, in every meadow. Boy Scout troops everywhere. And who would clear the trails of downed trees?

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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby Tom » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:52 pm

Does a shutdown mean that there will be no one patrolling the backcountry and therefore no need to worry about permits? ...just wondering.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby rlown » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:53 pm

pretty sure we'll all be out there "patrolling"
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby quentinc » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:02 pm

Naturally, I had planned a backpack in Joshua Tree tomorrow. I could care less about the absence of permits (actually, you don't need a permit in JT anyway), rangers, rescuers, amenities, etc., but I am a little bit worried they'll have all the roads barricaded. Nothing like protecting our national lands from our nation. But on the plus side, poor women in need won't be getting any help from Planned Parenthood.
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Re: What does a govt shutdown mean for access to NF and NP?

Postby kpeter » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:52 pm

It seems they have reached a last minute deal on this year's budget. We may see another round of this insanity as they take up next year's budget, though, but it seems as if we have averted a shutdown for now.
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