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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby balzaccom » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:09 am

Like you, Daisy. In fact, we got tired of worrying about the ground clearance on our old Volvo Wagon..and so bought a 2WD Ford Escape hybrid. It has loads of clearance, and we get about 35 mpg out of it. It now has almost 60K miles on it without a single problem.

Seems like a good solution,
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby oldranger » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:44 am

A little off topic but relevant to those who sometimes drive steep roads that must be negotiated slowly. If you do so fairly regularly I would suggest you stay away from vehicles that have a constant variable transmission (cvt). As I understand it they work sort of like a snowmobile in that as the engine speeds up centrifugal force causes the drive train to engage. So for the cvt at steep and low speed there is less centrifugal force and there will be some slippage. That is why (but they never tell you) they say the Toyota Highlander Hybrid awd should not be driven off highway. It took me a couple of times going up a really steep, curvy paved road to figure out why the Prius smelled like burning brakes when I topped out.

I have taken the Prius over Kaiser Pass to Florence lake with no problem while a slow road it doesn't have a lot of steep. And there is no problem going over Tioga Pass either--so we are talking about real steep and real slow.

Another issue is the cvt does not provide sufficient engine breaking when going downhill. It does have a "B" for compression braking but it is not sufficient for really steep down hill so you end up having to use your brakes much more than when you can select a lower gear on a manual or regular auto transmission.

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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby hikerduane » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:02 pm

Mike/oldranger, my experience too, more 4X4's in the ditch than single axle drive. They may be more confident or there may be more of them out when conditions are dicey. I check for 4X4's on my weekly commute home on Friday's, usually very few of us two wheel drives out.

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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby LMBSGV » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:24 pm

I've had a VW bug, Toyota Corolla or Tercel and never not been able to get to a trailhead. The Bug once got stuck in a huge pothole at the old Granite Creek trailhead, but a family camped nearby helped push it out. Another time, I took the Tercel to the Taboose Pass trailhead. When I came out a week later, the battery was dead. I hiked down about a mile or more before I found someone to give me a jump (I was carrying cables). He had a 4-wheel drive pickup and expressed trepidation about going the rest of the way to the trailhead to give me the jump. I told him my car was a Tercel, I'd already hiked from Bench Lake that day and might have to go another mile or two more before finding someone else and so could you please give me jump? He finally agreed.
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby rlown » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:46 pm

I used to drive a '73 triumph spitfire to the mountains. It was kinda fun to drive it on some of the off road trails, and even up and over the boulders in the Crystal Basin. Only had one mishap where i dropped a rear tire into a very large pothole. Pretty simple really.. my friend and i got out, went to the rear of the car and lifted it up and out of the hole. I had to run her w/o a thermostat as she was never happy living in the summer heat.
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby SteveB » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:25 am

I live in Reno and am frequently in the Sierra and running off-road, so a 4x4 is pretty much required here (much like owning a Prius and living in Seattle). :cool:
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby nazdarovye » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:03 pm

Hi Duane -

Funny, I was on that Carson Pass/Winnemucca trip too, and had a 2WD sedan with snow tires that got me in and out just as well as the 4WD vehicles. That said, we have a 4WD now too and I much prefer it for the mountains whenever there's a chance of snow or bad weather (and of course for going on bad dirt roads). It's so nice to never have to get out and put on chains...
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby hikerduane » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:39 pm

Hi Steve, I agree, if the weather is dicey, I would bring a 4X4 also, just some of the trips our buds show up with 4X4's when they are unneeded and like mentioned already, may be the only other vehicle they have or new enough to trust for the long drive. Didn't we use the Merc at Maria's east Lassen Park trip a couple years ago and I hitched a ride as my 2 wheel drive could go no further? :) I'm saving for a newer truck, 4X4 this time for cutting firewood and getting out when our road has not been plowed. Just about there, but keeping an eye on work still so I don't get caught in the cold.
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby panamint » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:26 pm

Wouldn't be without one!
Got a 85 toyota pickup sitting on 35's for off road fun, then I use a 94 4runner, when I want a little more comfort ride, for the saline valley and death valley runs. With that said if you get one with manual hubs it's only 4 wheel when you lock it in, other wise it's 2 wd.(just like a car). Thats when I lived in pasadena,ca

But must admit since moving to the blue ridge mtns, I have bought a toyota corolla (still own the 4x4's) for the gas miles, when it's 15 miles to town it pays for it's self LOL :D
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby giantbrookie » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:37 pm

For driving nearly everywhere we have a Nissan Sentra and a Honda Civic. The '92 Pathfinder stays under wraps unless I am sure we will be driving some rough dirt roads. I see no need to use twice as much gas per mile as either of the other two unless I have to. In the line of geologic field work I commonly have to drive some rough road, but the most frequent use of both the high clearance capability and the 4WD comes in taking some hiking distance off to various destinations. In years past this was mostly northern Sierra and I80 country stuff, most of which barely calls for 4-low, but we use it a lot in the Hwy 168 backcountry where there are lots of jeep trails, most of which are far beyond my capability. Given that my vehicle is unmodified with highway tires, I stay away from super hairy stuff (ie Roger Mitchell Class 4 and above) but I will do standard 4WD class 3 with moderate frequency (4WD Class 3 will look and feel totally gnarley to someone who has never seen a vehicle do that sort of thing before). Some years I do a whole lot, such as the summer of 2009 when it seemed as if I was 4 wheeling nearly every week. Some years I hardly do any 4 wheeling, such as 2010, when I shifted into 4wheel low for a grand total of about 1/4 mile the entire summer (and this was probably a stretch I could have done in 2WD--but I just wanted to take it easier on the vehicle). I have friends and students who do serious 4 wheeling as an end in itself. I cannot say I share that passion. I see 4 wheeling as a way to reduce the hiking distance to a lake for me or me and my family. Like many who have done a lot of this, I do take my technique very seriously and try to negotiate the tough spots with the minimum of 'errors'.
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby quentinc » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:44 pm

Unlike a lot of us, I have only one car to choose from. Even though the number of times I've actually needed the AWD are few and far between, I'm very glad I have a Forester for whenever they might come up. Plus, the Forester was dirt cheap and I can sleep in it
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Re: Do you have ta have a 4X4 living in the city?

Postby hikerchick395 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:58 am

I've always owned a 4WD/AWD vehicle...city or no city. My first car, in 1978, was a Subaru and we haven't been without a Subaru since. The '85 Subaru took us a lot of places and was retired at 388,000+ miles, trading in for the new 2007 Outback. Have been keeping the Outback newish, with 44,000 miles and have been driving the '94 Chevy S10 Z71...recently 4wheeling while hunting for flowers at Anza Borrego last weekend. This workhorse pulled a 5th wheel trailer for it's first 9 years...even up and over Tioga and Sonora Passes. Have a 2003 Chevy Silverado Z71 for that job now. Until 2006, I was also driving a 1980 2WD Toyota SR5 pickup...everywhere. You wouldn't believe where I asked this truck to negotiate. But, alas, a rock falling on Tioga Pass took it out of duty.
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