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Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby maverick » Thu May 21, 2009 12:53 pm

So the U.S. House has slipped in an amendment, under the radar, tacking it on to a
bill aimed at tightening credit regulation, what else is new.
The Coburn amendment which passed, allows loaded firearms in National Parks, is this
a good thing in your opinion, or not?
What do our ranger members think about this?
Will this make there job even more dangerous?

http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1153a ... parks.html



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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby The Other Tom » Thu May 21, 2009 2:03 pm

Previous discussion:
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby maverick » Thu May 21, 2009 2:18 pm

I missed that Tom. Thanks
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby dave54 » Thu May 21, 2009 8:39 pm

maverick wrote: Will this make there job even more dangerous?...


No.

National Forests and BLM public lands have always allowed firearms. They have not turned into the wild west with widespread gunfights and poaching. Why does anyone think it will now start occurring in National Parks? The arguments against have no factual basis.

Existing state laws regulating concealed carry and firearm possession will apply.
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby caddis » Fri May 22, 2009 7:54 am

maverick wrote:loaded firearms in National Parks, is this
a good thing in your opinion, or not?
I think it's a great thing since unloaded firearms have no value
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby oldranger » Fri May 22, 2009 10:34 pm

Poaching in NF and BLM lands not a problem? Since when? How many NPS signs are full of bullet holes? Virtually impossible to find a BLM sign without a bullet hole. I've seen many signs on Forests and BLM lands completely destroyed by gunfire. I've come across trees cutdown by gunfire. Never seen any of that in a National Park. I do know that Poaching has been an issue in National Parks. Almost every year someone gets caught in Yellowstone.

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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby frediver » Mon May 25, 2009 3:15 am

Having a loaded weapon in a Park does not bother me a bit.
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby toejam » Tue May 26, 2009 7:24 am

I had a friend accidently shoot himself at Rocky Mountain NP. If anything, you have more of that.
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby BrianF » Tue May 26, 2009 9:03 am

I am against it myself, I am curious though: if not hunting, what is the need/justification for carrying loaded firearms that pepper spray wouldn't serve for? Those of you who do carry firearms, how or where do you carry them? I have never noticed anyone hiking with a sidearm strapped on, if I did I would clear out fast as it would make me nervous.
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby Bad Man From Bodie » Tue May 26, 2009 12:42 pm

Why do guns make folks nervous? Are you afraid of the gun or the people who use them? I think most of the murders in YNP have been conducted with weapons other than guns.

The need/justification for carrying firearms is because we have this thing called the 2nd Amendment. National Parks are exactly that, “National” which means they are recognized as within the United States of America which is governed by the Constitution of the Untitled States of America of which the 2nd Amendment is a part of. So my question is the National Park System not part of the United States? Should they operate under other laws and regulations aside from the Constitution of the United States of America?

This is a good regulation and I support it!
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby BrianF » Tue May 26, 2009 3:24 pm

I am still curious why someone feels the need to carry one into the backcountry? Just because you can? There are many places in the United States that do not allow guns under any circumstances - schools, airports etc. I grew up owning a gun for hunting - it is not guns per se that make me nervous - I would be just as nervous if someone was carrying a giant knife or a night stick or any other weapon that wasn't for hunting purposes, I would wonder what they had in mind.
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Re: Loaded Firearms in National Parks!

Postby frediver » Wed May 27, 2009 11:31 am

Unfortunately there are both 4 and 2 legged predators.
I don't always carry one, I have packed both at one time or another,
rifle/pistol or pepper spray.
For this discussion a stout stick will often work as well it's just
not as intimidating.
Bad things Do happen on our Long Trails.
Some predators Do consider hikers as Prey !
This change in the law will allow some prey to have teeth .
Predators will have no way to know who has teeth and who
doesn't, this can benefit all of us.
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