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Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:09 pm
by rightstar76
Hi everyone. This thread is for polite discussion. Discourse, sharing articles and differing viewpoints, agreeing to disagree, that's what makes HST a great forum. Foodfights don't. Let's be kind to one another.

The sea surface temperatures (sst) off the southern portion of the California coast have broken an all time record (after breaking an all time record a week ago):
https://mashable.com/2018/08/15/record- ... alifornia/

The heat and humidity have been abnormal in the southern half of our state, while the fires burn in the northern portion. I'm barely getting used to this new normal. :)

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 pm
by longri
rightstar76 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:09 pmLet's be kind to one another.
It's a politically charged topic. But one can always be an optimist.

rightstar76 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:09 pmI'm barely getting used to this new normal. :)
"We haven’t reached a new normal. This isn’t a plateau.” - UCLA climate scientist Daniel Swain

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:24 pm
by MountainMinstrel
just because it is happening right now, does not mean it is normal. In fact (are those still allowed in climate discussions?) it is a new abnormal.

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:50 pm
by mrphil
Now let's put it somewhat into context over the past century or so since Scripps has been recording data:

https://shorestationsdata.ucsd.edu/lajo ... latest.jpg

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:58 pm
by Jimr
Looks like Yellowfin tuna are within striking range of the overnight boats at H & M. I'm surprised to find no Dorado in the counts, but I did see one boat with zero anglers catch 73 yellowfin. Wonder how that works?

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:04 pm
by longri
mrphil wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:50 pm Now let's put it somewhat into context over the past century or so since Scripps has been recording data:

https://shorestationsdata.ucsd.edu/lajo ... latest.jpg
There's noise but the signal is clear. It's been warmer in recent decades.

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:10 pm
by John Harper
Jimr wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:58 pm One boat with zero anglers catch 73 yellowfin. Wonder how that works?
You never heard the phrase, "There were so many fish, they were jumping in the boat?"

John

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:25 pm
by Jimr
Yes, but normally there is at least one angler to witness it :-) And, usually they are flying fish.

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:39 pm
by Jimr
mrphil wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:50 pm Now let's put it somewhat into context over the past century or so since Scripps has been recording data:

https://shorestationsdata.ucsd.edu/lajo ... latest.jpg
It's too bad we don't see a 4 month mean there. I remember in the early '80's, when we had a particularly strong El Nino, that the exotics (blue fin, big eye, yellow fin and yellow tail) traveled extremely far North of their usual pattern. Small Yellowtail (5 to 6 lbs) were tail finning the intake buoy in Redondo Harbor and Dorado/yellowtail were being hammered from under kelp patties in the Catalina channel. That was a destructive period for Kelp. Most healthy kelp beds that normally grow around Palos Verdes were decimated because of the warm water. When Lisa and I were hiking PV last year, the beds were well established. I noticed particularly healthy beds on the reef I used to dive regularly at Christmas tree cove. It was obvious where the outer reef was, but in the '80's, you had to know where it was because of the lack of kelp. BTW, Christmas tree cove is no longer called that. I don't recall what it is called now, but if I did, I would not spot burn it. It's sustained too much damage from over fishing as it is.

Re: Ocean water temperatures off San Diego break all time records (article)

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:21 pm
by SSSdave
I've been monitoring the below map recently with an interest of making a beach road trip down south. Love getting into surf if not chilly.. North of Point Conception ocean temps have stubbornly remained below average all summer with many foggy days that the cold ocean temps cause. I live 25 miles from Santa Cruz and enjoy an occasional sand and beach day but not so this year. Recent national news has been off La Jolla near San Diego where yesterday a couple buoys recorded 81F surface temps. Water temps will continue to rise over next 2 or 3 weeks.

http://www.surfline.com/weather-forecas ... ture_2143/

Need to figure out how to make a short trip of just a few days on the cheap living inside my Forester without getting nailed by usual high lodging rates even for cheapest Motel 6 motels. Map shows I really only need to drive down as far as Santa Barbara where the water is a reasonable 72F that is 7F above normal thus significantly less chilly. Cheapest motels there are expensive at $100+ while a bit south in Oxnard are ~$60 to $70. 30 miles north on US101 is the free Gaviota overnight rest area. Leadbetter Beach in SB has public outdoor showers. Need to do some more research.