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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby rlown » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:24 pm

have at them.. Island lake. the big camp to the North.



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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby zacjust32 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:28 pm

fishwrong wrote:Hallelujah, the day is finally here. Life is so good, the only thing left to complain about is people "staking rocks in the woods"..... Pardon me, people "Cairning The Sierra"....

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I hope this poor attempt at humor is taken as intended.


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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby Jimr » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:30 pm

fishwrong wrote:Hallelujah, the day is finally here. Life is so good, the only thing left to complain about is people "staking rocks in the woods"..... Pardon me, people "Cairning The Sierra"....

I am a firm believer that some portion of human nature demands there be an "us" and "them".... The subject can be deeply principled, but often not. Catholics & Protestants, Democrat & Republican, Giants & Dodgers, or those damned "paper" and "scissors" scoundrels who don't understand that "rock" is the only descent choice in life...

And so it is, we have arrived upon the divine test of good vs. evil.... Rock Kickers vs. Rock Stackers... The fate of humanity lies is within your boots...

For me, I'd like to think I'm enjoying my surroundings enough that a few stacked rocks wouldn't detract from my enjoyment of a place, and I'd appreciate there are others who enjoy the same places in their own ways. I'd like to think that, but I also realize I can be a little "contrary" at times, so if you find an odd stack of rocks placed conspicuously on a mountain, please fell free to kick a rock for me.

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I hope this poor attempt at humor is taken as intended.


Haha! no, you hit the mark as intended.
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby rlown » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:32 pm

try following the cairns down Star Col. Right to a friggn cliff. I would like to meet the ad wizard who did that work. I don't generally use cairns as an indication of a correct path. For all I know a swallow was carrying a coconut and a rock and dropped the rock on top of another rock. It's not precise enough.
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby Jimr » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:33 pm

"so if you find an odd stack of rocks placed conspicuously on a mountain, please fell free to kick a rock for me."

Sounds like the seeds to a hit song.
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby Jimr » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:34 pm

"try following the cairns down Star Col. Right to a friggn cliff."

I think I'd rather follow the Old Ranger trap in circles. at least I'd know where I was going and where I've been.
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby rlown » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:35 pm

and he brought a classy glass for his beverage. and a mini boom box. great trip!!
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby Jimr » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:40 pm

Hmmm, walking in circles with a glass of ..... and a boom box. Sounds like dementia.
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby Hobbes » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:22 am

fishwrong wrote:the divine test of good vs. evil.... Rock Kickers vs. Rock Stackers... The fate of humanity lies is within your boots...


Overall, I'd have to say that hiking is perhaps one the more benign sports, with primary divisions occurring at pack weight, (long) trail vs x-c, and of course, stacking vs kicking.

For comparison, simply look at some companion activities like fishing or boating. The rivalries and complaints generated by fishers, especially when there is a seasonal run, can be pretty amusing. Boating takes it to a different level, not only between the obvious differences between sailors and power, but divisions within those specific categories.

But the sporting activity that hands down takes the cake for constant, consistent aggression, conflict and anxiety is the one marketed with the most extreme "we are the world" sentimentality. Here's a story that encapsulates an overt reaction that used to occur in CA (and still does to some extent in HI):

I was the other white guy in that scenario once in Japan, the spared one. I think surfing culture in Taiwan has a lot of similarities with Southern Japan, and you done fuct up I believe. You will be lucky to ever surf there again I'd guess, at least for months. IMO guy who gets in the way is always in the wrong- you gotta have it a black and white rule. To give an older guy who is local stinkeye, in a different cultural zone is basically a trifecta of ruin. Live and learn. That could have been ugly, steer clear of there for a while. You showing right back up soon won't be a good thing for you.

My witness whitey get sent in in E. Asia story=
I was surfing an intensely regulated right pt on the Nichinan Coastline, Miyazaki prefecture. It's very rural, traditional, deep South Japan. I spent a couple years already cautiously working my way into the lineups of that amazing stretch of coast. Im out on a decent typhoon season swell, and to my surprise this Aussie guy paddles out. That was unusual in itself in that area, and I've never seen this guy anywhere surfing before. He paddles straight to the top of the point! I'm like, oh yeah, this will be good. I chat with him at some point, but take pains to very visibly appear to be meeting him for the first time. "Nice to meet you" said loud, clear, and slowly lol.

He's visiting from Osaka area, speaks good japanese, so I figure it's all good. I see him get dropped in on by the gray haired old guy, no surprise there. Im mostly staying clear of this new guy, but he paddles by me and says "what's that old censored problem"? I say, "He's the old dog around here, I steer clear". When he paddled back out to the point muttering "****, old fook..." I knew I may be about to see some ****. That old dog is basically the Shogun of the surfing tribe on the entire Southern Miyazaki coast, who runs the oldest surf shop in the area, Freedom Surfboards. You don't get any higher status than this guy.

Maybe, I should have warned the Aussie guy a little better, because not 30 seconds later I hear him screaming in some Osaka dialect/English mix up "fook off tp hell you old **** dog. Bastard censored.. ". I couldn't understand the rest but he was going for it. They grapple and the entire lineup clears- 20 or 30 guys- and surround the Aussie guy and the Shogun in a tight circle. Meanwhile i'm getting wave after wave in the suddenly fee lineup, scared out of my mind I'm next. Every single guy there formed a corridor and pressed the Aussie in. Aussie dude was scared shitless.

That was intense to see. I kept surfing VERY humbly for an hour, also scared shitless but not wanting to show fear... basically trying to demonstrate that I'm here to stay, If they'll have me that is. I was spared.

Before I knew who this old guy was I watched him regulate on land with similar flair once. He always had this pit type dog with him when I'd see him around. The dog was pretty scary looking. I was watching some small surf one afternoon, after driving an hour and a half (I lived pretty far from Nichinan area), resigned to the fact I may not be getting wet.

I see this guy's dog trotting on the beach, and a couple hundred yards behind I can just make out the Shogun. Right in front of me, the dog starts yapping at some japanese longboarder who's about to paddle out. The dog is acting aggressively, and darting in nipping at his leash or ankle, and dude is trying to keep him off with nose of his longboard. The dog won't let him move, and the guy gets sorta pissed and starts to kick at the dog. Out of the corner of my eye I see the Shogun start running from maybe 100 yards.

As he's charging in, the long boarder is totally focused on fending off this aggressive dog, unaware of this new danger. From about ten feet away shogun leaps at full sprint, and plants both his feet into the chest area of the long boarder. I can hear both his lungs empty, pneumatic blasting noise. He got the wind knocked out of him so bad he was just writhing as shogun screamed at him. Once he could breath he apologized, bowed wincing in pain from probably broken ribs , and went back to his car. So fukn heavy. If I had not seen that I would have had a bad run in with the Shogun at some point, absolutely. Total ruthless burner in the water to any outsider, especially foreign.
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby SSSdave » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:15 am

Comments at end of essay on this link are worth reading as a number of rock stackers try and make a case.

http://www.hcn.org/articles/a-call-for- ... ones-alone

Some rock stackers are obviously afraid their growing whole community is increasingly coming under critical scrutiny due to the activity of many in parks and wilderness areas. As that may result in authorities clamping down doing so in places that most of us would agree are trivial and ok to do so. For instance in the riverbed of some urban stream where annual high water flows re-naturalize anything below annual average high water marks. Or on private lands or non-scenic rocky roadside areas along public highways. We could list many such places where no one ought to care and those places would be enough to entertain those few who do so for say as a meditative practice etc.

Others commenting obviously don't want to be held to limitations of where they might do so despite reasoned explanations of why the practice in our wild and scenic areas needs to be discouraged. Some enjoy visiting our parks and wilderness areas and that is where they have enjoyed that controversial activity that they want to continue. In those sensitive areas it indicates an inconsiderate and selfish attitude by some enthusiasts.

Some of those against the practice in our wild areas actually hurt their side of the debate by offering weak arguments because that results in responses from rock stackers that tend to only address such. One of the most frequent such arguments is that rock stacking will affect plants and creatures that live against and under the lifted rocks. Although that is indeed true, one also needs to acknowledge that in most locations there are vastly more adjacent landscapes nearby such that the disturbed rocks are an extremely trivial percentage. So the impact to a few plants and animals has a rather miniscule impact on those species in such zones.

A strong argument is that the stacks are a significant visual eyesore to most people visiting natural areas, especially in wilderness where there is an expectation for natural landscapes and scenery. We can accept a reasonable level of unnatural infrastructure as trails themselves, trail junction signs, use trails, camp spots, etc, but anything further deserves considerable scrutiny.

We can also make strong arguments against building unnecessary for navigation cairns and ducks along trails and use routes. Our trail corridors particularly are where we visitors view these landscapes from, where we take photos from, and where we are likely to see plants, flowers, and animals from, so disturbing the naturalness along trails may affect our visual and experiential enjoyment while hiking. For those wishing to read more of what the majority is saying Google "rock stacking graffiti".
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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby rlown » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:30 am

More rock stacking pollution.. Glen Aulin..

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Re: 2016 kick over cairns thread

Postby Cross Country » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:59 am

I went over Milly Foot Pass from the south and had a difficult time finding it. Thank god there was a hugh carn showing me the way.
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