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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby TahoeJeff » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:28 am

Graffiti doesn't harm the environment?



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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby longri » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:55 am

Not usually. Graffiti only affects human perception of the environment.
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby TahoeJeff » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:51 pm

I'm guessing the enamel paint doesn't do the environment any favors.....
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby longri » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:21 pm

It's not a problem while it's being graffiti, on a rock or a tree trunk or a trail sign. When it washes into a stream or percolates into the soil and eventually the water table then I grant you that it is a pollutant. But in the larger scheme of things, in our increasingly urban world, it just noise. Not a measurable signal at all. The primary insult, the overwhelming effect, is to human perception. Just look at the air.
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby TahoeJeff » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:01 pm

Back on topic:

The ultimate cairn, and I defy anyone to post a pic of a bigger one (lol):

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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby rlown » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:06 pm

Cairn_at_Garvera,_Surselva,_Graubuenden,_Switzerland.jpg
Cairn_at_Garvera,_Surselva,_Graubuenden,_Switzerland.jpg (16.37 KiB) Viewed 107 times


dunno if it's bigger, but. impressive.. Now it's up to Markskor if he wants to fly around the globe and kick them down :D

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairn
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby Cross Country » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:31 pm

This is a cair near Baxter Lake. After we came back someone told me there was a warm spring near Baxter. I wonder if this cairs shows the way to the spring.
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby Cross Country » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:33 pm

What is this cairn?
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby LightRanger » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:45 am

Heartless monsters calling for an end to cairns. ;) :snipe: :whistle:

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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby Scouter9 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:22 pm

It just depends, right?

We see ducks or cairns in places where they're apparently of real utility to mark a trail or whatnot, including to us, and I'm generally appreciative of them.

We see ducks or cairns set out to mark campsites or even maybe just to adorn the world or pass the time... who knows, and I generally find them inappropriate. Like the duck/cairns we'll set up, ourselves, to mark the path to our latrines near campsites, I tend to kick and spread them out before leaving the area.

If in doubt, I treat them like the former, rather than the latter.
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby Troutdog 59 » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:49 am

I dont build them, but the only ones I've ever knocked down are the ones folks built right along an established trail (two to three rocks right at an obvious bend). As pointed out by others, a paticular duck or cairn may be very useful for marking a route for winter travel or may mark a particular route to avoid cliffing out. I've had a few that really helped out in finding a route in difficult cross coumtry terrain. I guess my biggest question for those who feel the need to knock everyone thy see down would be how does one know whats a "good" or "useful" cairn and which ones are not? Is there a list??

I guess in general I'm somewhat amused by the topic. if a cairn ruins your wilderness expeirience, what does a maintained trail (you know, engineered step ups, water barriers, and obvious blast marks from the use of explosives) do to your mood? I'm guessing those of you in this mind set really dont like trails that start off on old logging or mining roads such as Pine Creek, and what do you do when you see trail signs with actual words and mileages written on them???? Do you knock them down as well in a fit of outright rage???????

OK, OK, I'm pushing the envelope so to speak at the end, but really folks?? I go into the Sierra to relax and remove myself as much as possible from the stress of everday life, not to worry about cairns/ducks ruining my wilderness experience, which they dont. Things like folks leaving garbage in the wilderness and improperly burying human waste tweak me out way more than seeing a few "ducks" along the way, but to each their own eh!
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Re: Opinion: Calling for an end to cairns

Postby oldranger » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:20 pm

Troutdog

Hey! I'm retired, have a great wife :heart: that lets me go backpacking and fishing almost as much as I want, I have the resources to do pretty much what I want. My kids are all employed. So what can I b-tch about? Ducks of the cairn variety (not football Ducks!) :D

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