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National Park Art?

Postby markskor » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:18 pm

As posted by Rumi, taken from backpacker.com -

"...some people feel like they are entitled. Here one “artist” seems intent on using NPs and other backcountry/historical locations as her own canvas".
http://www.modernhiker.com/2014/10/21/i ... nal-parks/
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby rlown » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:21 pm

arrest her. charge her. (make sure she pays her entrance fee at least :) )
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby AlmostThere » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:41 pm

This is all over the internet. Apparently NPS is investigating.

In an article you get from the blog post, you get a review of other cases of random acts of wanton idiocy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/05/us/as ... =all&_r=1&
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby LMBSGV » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:33 pm

random acts of wanton idiocy.


Great encapsulation. I'd like for them to bill her for the clean-up costs.
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby Cross Country » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:01 am

I think I'll chose not to be self righteous. Just thought I'd lighten things up a bit. For me this is not worth me getting angry. I can remember just one thing en 500 days in the backcountry that bothered me and I saw this several times - soap suds in pristine lakes. I took baths in lakes all the time but I did it with a wash cloth and no soap.
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby SSSdave » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:50 am

What I posted as Yahoo News, Comments, and at the Backpacker mag site:

Graffiti in our parks has been an increasing problem for years in the Southwest, especially in California. Because juveniles are often perpetrators of graffiti, the media cannot name them due to our very lame state law, a law the majority of our citizens strongly disagree with, then courts don’t give them jail time. Because it is viewed as Cool in Hip Hop culture, which tends to encourage and delight in anti-social behaviors that bother the rest of us, it has a focused ethnic demographic, though it is not pc for media to mention such.

So it is likely among her peers, only that she was caught that will be criticized. This is what the media needs to denounce as unacceptable by blaming those of that sub-culture which would likely make some of them respond and then talk about it within their own online communities. One could predict there would be elements within those communities that would also denounce defacing our treasured parks thus potentially actually making an impact on the small minded which think anything BAAAD is ok behavior.

That some are taking their urban behaviors out into the outdoors ought not surprise. Thus society continuing to ignore what goes on in urban areas for the sake of political correctness will guaranty more destruction.
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby AlmostThere » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:13 am

right, because it is so self-righteous to expect people to respect public property and not mess it up for the rest of us that actually enjoy going out there and experiencing it as it is without embellishment. The implication being that somehow we all have done something similar? I don't think so. I don't graffiti my home, my neighborhood, my school campus, my job site, or anyone else's property. it's a perfectly acceptable practice in the 'hood, one for which I have disdain because it just tells me once again that the age-old practice of respect and a sense of right and wrong are dying, and we can kiss a sense of community responsibility goodbye. It's all for one and one for no one but me - I'm the center of the universe these days. so why not go climb to the top of somebody else's skyscraper and paint your name in big letters? It's "art" after all.


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Re: National Park Art?

Postby Cross Country » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:16 am

wow
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby rlown » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:19 am

there is a decorum to life. it's not about defacement. I agree with everything AT just said.

There is this guy, Brad who comments on all the crime stories in our local paper's website.

His response to most is "Oak Tree". I would agree with that approach for this person.
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby Wandering Daisy » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:35 am

There is a place for "landscape art", with proper permission and permits. But NOT permanent "art" in our national parks! Not like that. I think there was at one time a "vertical dance" performed on some Yosemite wall. That left no permanent damage and was approved.

The whole thing about being above the "rules" and then self-promoting such bad behavior on social media, is really to me a reflection of what is currently shown on the media - think reality shows and glorification of selfishness and narcissism.

We saw a silly face on a rock at Alabama Hills last week when down there. Could this be some of this "art"?
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby seanr » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:36 pm

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... m/1y8xJBGm

If the stuff in the Alabama Hills is the same decorated boulder(s) I've seen there, I think it has been there a long time. I saw a similarly decorated boulder along the road through Lundy Canyon. It doesn't surprise me much to see such things along a paved road, near a major highway, and near a town. Frankly I found the ones I'm mentioning in this post somewhat entertaining, but would never engage in nor encourage such behavior. Generally speaking, taking it upon oneself to decorate public land, nature, or another's property without permission is blatantly disrespectful. It can easily become too widespread if allowed, supported, or encouraged.

Tagging type graffiti anywhere is ugly to my eyes and has occurred on private and public land within yards of my house (my fence, neighbor's fence, school walls, playground, public creekside trail structures, etc.). I've seen it on trailside picnic tables in a nearby county park and actually know the main perpetrator in that case very well. Quick removal, talking with and developing rapport with likely perpetrators and their peers, punishment when possible, and replacement with more constructive art are all attempts at solutions I have been involved with locally. Tagging seems to ebb and flow in waves as taggers compete with each other and as they are periodically dissuaded by efforts of those who try to slow them down.

Anyway, semi-permanent artwork in a wilderness area clearly crosses the line. If y'all feel like doing a tad more than venting on message boards, there is a Whitehouse.gov petition in response to the national park perpetrator currently gaining steam: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... m/1y8xJBGm
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Re: National Park Art?

Postby Cross Country » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:19 am

I shoud have looked at this more carefully. I mispoke (miswrote)
When it comes to garffiti I can be really self rightous.
Graffiti is just disgusting and mucho more so in Nat Parks
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