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Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby rlown » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:42 pm

More of a heads up about drones in the NPS: http://home.nps.gov/news/release.htm?id=1601

WASHINGTON – National Park Service Director Jonathan B. Jarvis today signed a policy memorandum that directs superintendents nationwide to prohibit launching, landing, or operating unmanned aircraft on lands and waters administered by the National Park Service.

“We embrace many activities in national parks because they enhance visitor experiences with the iconic natural, historic and cultural landscapes in our care,” Jarvis said. “However, we have serious concerns about the negative impact that flying unmanned aircraft is having in parks, so we are prohibiting their use until we can determine the most appropriate policy that will protect park resources and provide all visitors with a rich experience.”

Unmanned aircraft have already been prohibited at several national parks. These parks initiated bans after noise and nuisance complaints from park visitors, an incident in which park wildlife were harassed, and park visitor safety concerns.

Last September, an unmanned aircraft flew above evening visitors seated in the Mount Rushmore National Memorial Amphitheater. Park rangers concerned for visitors’ safety confiscated the unmanned aircraft.

In April, visitors at Grand Canyon National Park gathered for a quiet sunset, which was interrupted by a loud unmanned aircraft flying back and forth and eventually crashing in the canyon. Later in the month, volunteers at Zion National Park witnessed an unmanned aircraft disturb a herd of bighorn sheep, reportedly separating adults from young animals.

The policy memorandum directs park superintendents to take a number of steps to exclude unmanned aircraft from national parks. The steps include drafting a written justification for the action, ensuring compliance with applicable laws, and providing public notice of the action.
more at the link above.

Not sure if the wilderness areas are impacted.

If you want a personal drone, do a search on google for personal drone. I liked the http://www.thepocketdrone.com/ (gopro camera extra).



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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby maverick » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:00 pm

Thanks Russ, they are allowed in the NF, and in the areas of interest, did check out
the legal sides of things prior to posting. ;)
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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby dave54 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:12 pm

NF Wilderness is still not clear.

There are existing federal aviation regulations for aircraft over wilderness. How drones fit into the existing regs is undetermined.

Until the legal fog is cleared regulation is needed.
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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby maverick » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:45 pm

Dave54 wrote:
NF Wilderness is still not clear.


Here is the "No Fly Zone Map", the only area near the Minarets, which is the area
of interest in my case is DPNM, and then YNP and SEKI NP according to his map. http://exotichikes.com/drone-ban-in-ame ... nal-parks/
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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby rlown » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:06 pm

we know why your asking for the drone, and it's noble. regardless of the map, you have to declare you're using a drone, and why. According to the NPS, you have to be LE or SAR. You are not.

NFS might be different or if you have permission. I don't think it's ok to ask people who are civilians to join a search. That is SAR or LE stuff.

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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby dave54 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:47 am

maverick wrote:
Dave54 wrote:
NF Wilderness is still not clear.


Here is the "No Fly Zone Map", the only area near the Minarets, which is the area
of interest in my case is DPNM, and then YNP and SEKI NP according to his map. http://exotichikes.com/drone-ban-in-ame ... nal-parks/


Anybody can make a map and post it on the internet. I would not use that map as a defense in court. The issue will not be settled until someone contests a citation in court, though.
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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby oldranger » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:49 am

Drone over a wilderness area. Could cause this non gun owning person to carry a shotgun, if they weren't so damn heavy. I'm almost glad that my backpacking days are nearing an end as the definition of wilderness becomes more and more altered as we feel a need to reduce risk and uncertainty in our lives.

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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby AlmostThere » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:52 am

I can neither confirm nor deny that I saw your drone. Sorry you lost it.

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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby richlong8 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:59 am

AlmostThere wrote:I can neither confirm nor deny that I saw your drone. Sorry you lost it.

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Exactly. No drones. Aircraft crossing the Sierras at 30000 feet plus is one thing, drones buzzing you in the wilderness, ridiculous.
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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby AlmostThere » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:14 am

In actuality, the personal drones have short ranges and poor battery life, so seeing one flying around for hours taking pictures of you skinny dipping is unlikely. Although, the same sorts of backpackers who would haul an axe and a twelve pack might be likely to throw in a dozen batteries for their toy. Still, if you wreck my peace and quiet with your motorized toy, you put it at risk of finding that I suddenly developed an ability to aim.
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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby richlong8 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:36 pm

Technology will always improve rapidly. I am sure that today's drones will be substantially more capable 5-10 years from now. I think it wise to ban a pest before it grows into a monster. I hate to pack heat- its way too much weight for my poor, aching back, but drones might make me reconsider.
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Re: Unmanned Aircraft to be Prohibited in America’s National Par

Postby RichardCullip » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:08 pm

I was up in the Golden Trout Wilderness two weekends ago enjoy a backpacking trip with some friend along the North Fork of the Kern. Now this part of the Kern Canyon is famous, or maybe to some, infamous, for loud low flying military aircraft. Each day of my trip there were multiple high speed, low (and I do mean low) and loud (and I do mean loud) flybys by military jets. We enjoyed each and every one, even the ones that caught us unawares and scared the .... out of us. To me, it was the sound of freedom. However, I would hate to have my personal wilderness experience intruded upon by the high-pitched buzzing of a personal drone. That would be annoying, simply annoying.
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