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USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby Shawn » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:55 pm

Be prepared to empty your wallets if you use any of these facilities.

Last month, the Forest Service quietly released a plan to hand over management of 52 recreation sites throughout the Los Padres National Forest to a private, for-profit concessionaire. Fees would significantly increase at these sites as much as 300% with no increase in amenities. The plan – scheduled to be approved next week – would apply to popular campgrounds, day use areas, and some trailheads in Santa Barbara, Ventura, San Luis Obispo, and Monterey counties.


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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby AlmostThere » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:37 pm

Probably because they've been operating at a loss forever, and now the fire has decimated things.

I wonder if Larry will ever work again? He's been at Bottchers Gap for 30 years. The campground was burnt through and probably needs a lot of work.
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby psykokid » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:48 pm

Looks like they tried to sneak that one by..

I can understand farming out the campgrounds to a concessionaire. The increase in fees aren't welcome, but considering what it costs to car camp some place like El Capitain State Beach, NF campgrounds are still relatively cheap.

The day use thing rubs me the wrong way though, especially when places that were covered by the "Adventure Pass" are being converted to sites where it is no longer applicable. The Adventure Pass coverage is a big reason why I purchase a National Parks pass or whatever they call it now every year..
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby dave54 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:05 am

psykokid wrote:...
The day use thing rubs me the wrong way though, especially when places that were covered by the "Adventure Pass" are being converted to sites where it is no longer applicable. The Adventure Pass coverage is a big reason why I purchase a National Parks pass or whatever they call it now every year..


The Adventure Pass is a So Cal thing. The national passes will still be valid.
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby psykokid » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:26 pm

dave54 wrote:
psykokid wrote:...
The day use thing rubs me the wrong way though, especially when places that were covered by the "Adventure Pass" are being converted to sites where it is no longer applicable. The Adventure Pass coverage is a big reason why I purchase a National Parks pass or whatever they call it now every year..


The Adventure Pass is a So Cal thing. The national passes will still be valid.


Yes, but Los Padres is part of the "Adventure Pass" scheme, as well as Angeles, San Bernardino and Cleveland NFs. Part of Los Padres is in SoCal after all.. If the concessionaire is charging a day use fee will the national pass still cover that under the standard amenity fee umbrella? No mention of that in the verbage I read, unless I missed it...
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby dave54 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:55 pm

psykokid wrote:
dave54 wrote:...Yes, but Los Padres is part of the "Adventure Pass" scheme, as well as Angeles, San Bernardino and Cleveland NFs. Part of Los Padres is in SoCal after all.. If the concessionaire is charging a day use fee will the national pass still cover that under the standard amenity fee umbrella? No mention of that in the verbage I read, unless I missed it...


The National Passes are supposed to remain valid. Unless the concessionaire or the FS tries to get away something underhanded.
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby robow8 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:52 pm

So an America the Beautiful pass works in Adventure Pass areas?
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby psykokid » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:13 pm

robow8 wrote:So an America the Beautiful pass works in Adventure Pass areas?


Yes it does, you can even get a little hanger dealie when you buy the pass to hang it from your rearview mirror. I use mine all the time up at Chantry Flats.
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby robow8 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:17 pm

psykokid wrote:
robow8 wrote:So an America the Beautiful pass works in Adventure Pass areas?


Yes it does, you can even get a little hanger dealie when you buy the pass to hang it from your rearview mirror. I use mine all the time up at Chantry Flats.


Sweet. Where do you get yours?
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby AlmostThere » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:27 pm

I haven't used a pass at all in Sespe and they never required them in the Monterey district. They do around Santa Barbara.
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Re: USFS Slight of Hand?

Postby psykokid » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:05 pm

robow8 wrote:Sweet. Where do you get yours?


You should be able to get one at most USFS Visitor Centers, USFS District offices, NPS Entrance Stations and NPS Visitors Centers. You can purchase them at REI as well, but they can be hit or miss though if they have them on hand. And you can buy them online here: http://store.usgs.gov/pass/index.html

We bought ours at the gate of Yosemite last April as my previous one had expired the month before and our trip up there was at the very beginning of the month.
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