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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Mike M. » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:24 pm

Thank you for the follow-up, Maverick.

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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Tom_H » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:53 pm

Wow, now there is the added mystery of to whom the boots did belong.
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Eigenguy » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:51 am

rlown wrote:I certainly appreciate their find. Did they take the other boot back for DNA testing? 3 years would be a stretch, but..

I read through the Mono SAR reports. I wish they would follow up on those they rescued with the actual patient results.


I agree, but it's likely for privacy reasons.

I also wish they would indicate where some of the MMSA places in their reports are: Turkey Gulch, Visalia Bowl, Fresno Bowl, Froggy's corner, gun3, Sucker Bowl. They aren't on any map.

What is promising about finding these boots, even though they are not Matthew's, is that their discovery might give some more information as to what type of places for the occasional climbing search party to look.
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby rlown » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:58 am

Eigenguy wrote:rlown wrote:
I certainly appreciate their find. Did they take the other boot back for DNA testing? 3 years would be a stretch, but..

I read through the Mono SAR reports. I wish they would follow up on those they rescued with the actual patient results.


I agree, but it's likely for privacy reasons.


They don't name names in their current reports. A simple rescued/patient recovery status would suffice.

I would also like to see a report out on the possibly recovered boot. If boots could talk.
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby RoguePhotonic » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:58 pm

Is it established that he would likely take on major class 3 routes? Or higher? Did he have climbing gear? Has the more common peaks such as Clyde Minaret been checked? Considering the common routes such as the rock route on Clyde are climbed multiple times a year and nothing has been found I think about getting lost on it like I did. It was an easy mistake that landed me into class 5. A fall in that area would send you down on the NE face of the peak where people don't generally travel. Even the upper part of the Rock Route is very steep and crumbly. I had a hand and foot hold break on me at the same time. And general holds break a few times on that thing. So generally speaking my thoughts are on imagining where on common routes you could take a fall and where you would end up if you do.
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Eigenguy » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:51 am

I hiked to Shadow Lake yesterday and it was one of the most beautiful hikes I've been on in this area. I continued to JMT and attempted the switchbacks to get to Rosalie, but I had to give up because after 30 minutes I was only making vertical progress. It seems to be believed that the route to Shadow Lake was the route that Matthew took to Ritter or Banner. Is there any way of knowing if he ever made it to the mountain range? Were scent dogs used on the trail?

The geology on this trail (and in this valley in general) is quite unusual IMO. There were some very exposed sections of trail that were covered in jagged and strangely shaped rock. I am curious if the bottom of this ridge/cliff area had been searched. The first section is about a mile from Agnew Meadows, and the other is the last 0.75 miles to Shadow Lake. I am sure there are others on the way from Shadow to Ediza.

Whoever is placing the Missing posters has really been on it. I saw posters on nearly every directional sign and on the bridge over Shadow Creek, and they all look new or relatively unharmed from the weather.
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Dave_Ayers » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:39 am

Probably this has been asked before, but I haven't found the answer in my (limited) searching. Is it well established that Matthew went to the Minarets? Could he possibly have gone to climb something else? If so, has Mt Morrison been searched? Are there other nearby climbs that might merit searching?
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby maverick » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:12 pm

Probably this has been asked before, but I haven't found the answer in my (limited) searching. Is it well established that Matthew went to the Minarets? Could he possibly have gone to climb something else? If so, has Mt Morrison been searched? Are there other nearby climbs that might merit searching?


Hi Dave,

Well established, no not 100%, but compared to 2013 with the evidence that was available then, my answer would have been absolutely not.

After Matthews disappearance in 2013, there were numerous posters posted all around Mammoth and on the trails, in 2014 a couple came back to the Shady Rest Campground for their yearly visit, noticed the postings, and reported that they had talked to Matt the day before he went missing, invited him along on a hike for the next day, but reported that Matt said that he had planned on going to the Minarets.

Unfortunately the MLPD had a temp detective on the case, who did not take notes of the encounter with the couple, nor was anything entered into the official police report, and are requests (Matt's sister and myself) from the MLPD in this issue has gone unanswered, even though the incoming Chief of Police said the he would co-operate and assist us. :\
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Dave_Ayers » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:50 pm

Thanks Maverick. I was thinking it would probably only take a day for a couple of people to search Morrison's north face area if it seems worthwhile. I'm hoping to join this year if I can and help out.
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Tom_H » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:56 pm

maverick wrote:....the MLPD had a temp detective on the case, who did not take notes of the encounter with the couple, nor was anything entered into the official police report, and [our] requests (Matt's sister and myself) from the MLPD in this issue has gone unanswered....


That is just deeply disturbing. :angry: ](*,) :soapbox: :mad:
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby maverick » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:49 pm

That is just deeply disturbing.


Tom, that is only one of many discrepancies that exist.

Here are some of the few disturbing issues in this case:

- Matt went out for his climb on 7/17/13, on 7/21/13 (4 days later) Mono 1 dispatch got a call from the campground attendee that Matthew had not paid for his campsite, which he had diligently done for the past several days (each and every day), and that his tent, food, and clothing were left abandoned at the campsite. He had developed a pattern of paying on a regular basis, then why would he have all of sudden stop paying and leave his tent, climbing gear, food, and other things? Matt was not reported as a missing person till 7/29/13! Why did Mono 1 not immediately list him as a missing person on the 21st? Also Matt's DOB and DL# on the Incident Report were incorrect, and race is listed as unknown, really?

- Matt frequented the McDonalds for breakfast, on the other side of Main Street, across from the campground, before heading up to the shuttle stop. There is a CC recorder in this establishment, the footage could have not only placed Matt in the store, but we would have had a time, and also see if he was with someone else on the morning of 7/17, but no one from any of the agencies contacted the main office in Bishop for the footage, which were kept on file for 3 months.

- There was also a reporting, that someone had seen Matt heading that day to Tuolumne Meadows on YARTS, which also has CC video on their buses, and keep their files on record for 3 weeks according to the records keeper, but none of the agency inquired about these tapes either.

This is just a peek at some of the issues that have arisen after re-investigating this cluster of an investigation.

Thanks Maverick. I was thinking it would probably only take a day for a couple of people to search Morrison's north face area if it seems worthwhile. I'm hoping to join this year if I can and help out.


That would be great Dave! We have several people from HST interested in attending, the more we can get the better, our search dates will be from 9/8-9/13, and our basecamp will be at Deadhorse Lake this time around. Thank you again for showing interest in attending this years search Dave.
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Re: Requesting Your Help in the Matthew Greene Case

Postby Shawn » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:58 pm

Hey Mav, I don't recall if there was an itemized list of Matthews possessions left at the campground or not? Would you know if and/or where such a list exist?

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