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Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

A forum to initiate member meet-up. Looking for a hiking/climbing/fishing/skiing/etc. partner, or are you planning a trip where you wouldn't mind having some company? Last minute invites can be just as fun as a well-planned group trip (sometimes even better) so don't be shy! And be sure to post a trip report to the appropriate forum when you get back.

Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Cross Country » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:21 pm

I caught lots of fish out of Picket lake and ¨saint¨Diane caught a 16´ fish out the the small lake just above Pickett but this was a looooooong time ago before most of you were backing and many of you were born.



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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby maverick » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:08 pm

Thank you CC for that additional, and useful info on the fishing. :thumbsup:
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Wandering Daisy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:15 pm

This may be a good opportunity for a "key exchange" for a point-to-point route, since we would all be the same place the same time period. Something to think about. I am thinking Mineral King-Crescent Meadow; or; Horseshoe Meadow-Shepherd Pass.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby rlown » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:18 pm

Don't get me wrong, Mav. I think it is absolutely marvelous that you are setting up the meet-up. The key phrase in CC's post was "looooooong time ago." Fish don't generally live that long unless restocked or SS.

I'll see how the year plays out and decide. Thanks again for setting the trip.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Hobbes » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:58 pm

SSSdave wrote:What would be useful ... would be a sticky associated thread only writable by admins that would contain basic information.


Dave makes a good point - I've got some detailed spreadsheets (Google docs) I could post up if I knew how to publish them directly to HST. As it is, I'll add some links to the public documents for now (see below).

I keep these detailed spreadsheets for both planning purposes and actual records. If you've ever seen me on the trail at major waypoints, I've got my micro-pencil out jotting down my actual times. My routes are typically broken down into 3-4 mile increments - usually notable sections, passes, ridgelines, lakes, etc, noting both elevation gain (highlighted in dark grey)/loss, etc.

With practice - and an honest assessment - I've found that I've gotten pretty accurate at predicting my own times/ability. Personally, this provides a crucial advantage for trip planning, since I can with moderately high confidence plot out a course and come fairly close to matching the predicted times.

Kearsage/Forester/Whitney:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

Shepherd/Wales:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

New Army/Langley/Crabtree/Whitney:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

GTW/Kern/Cottonwood:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby rlown » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:06 pm

excel spreadsheets are postable on this site. just tested it. upload attachment and select the file.

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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby maverick » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:43 pm

Electra wrote:
I am hoping to make it this year.


Cool Dan, looking forwards to seeing you out there. :)
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby LMBSGV » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:15 pm

Thanks, Maverick, for doing this. It so happens at this moment, my two main plans for next summer are either Denali at the end of July/early August or a return to Kaweah Basin and the Picket Creek lake.

For the latter, the current rough itinerary is going out of Mineral King and doing a semi-loop by going over Franklin Pass, down to Kern Canyon, up to Junction Meadow, up to Picket Creek Lake, Kaweah Basin, and return by Kern Canyon, Big Arroyo, Little Five Lakes, Glacier Pass, and back to Mineral King. I’m also curious if anyone is considering exiting Kaweah Basin via Red Spur and down to Big Arroyo.

I should have a better idea in December since we need to reserve Denali camping soon after December 1. Then there’s whether the dates of HST meet-up will be good for work and family. Right now, the dates look good.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby SSSdave » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:29 pm

Good stuff Hobbes. You and I have a similar mindset. Checked a few of your mileage points and they are reasonable. Mine tend to closely track those in Wilderness Press because I grew up with their original guide and learned to measure trail mileage reasonably accurately againt their numbers.

The Shepherd Pass trail is however longer than the map shows. Topo maps sometimes have inaccurate trails drawn because in the past they tended to be hand drawn from suspect sources thus not satellite based. That is especially the case where switchbacks route. In this thread I overlayed the satellite map onto the topo. It pretty much matched up to Bob Burd's GPS track. Before doing so I had measured mileage to the pass at exactly 10.0 miles but after adding all the extra switchbacks and then looking at other satellite sections of that trail higher up that didn;t match the map, it was obviously going to actually be at least 12 which Bob substantiated with other info. Someone needs to track the whole route on GPS.

http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/post91 ... rd#p910163

This trip has me dragging several very marked up topos back out of winte hibernation. Will work on this some more in the next month and post a how to thread over in The Campfire.

So much for topos at the moment. Just received an Amazon used book am eagerly digging into tonight, "Fabric of the Cosmos".
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby AlmostThere » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:38 am

Yep, looks like I'm out - I'm spending a week over in the Rubies in July and won't have enough time off for a second extended trip that month.

Have fun, guys.
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby Hobbes » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:57 am

Following Rlown's excellent instructions, here's an excel spreadsheet that contains a rank of order of major Sierra passes & peaks. Since it contains many of the eastside passes one would traverse on the way to Kaweah basin, I'll post it in this thread.

Note: this particular file is sorted by gain per mile. If one were so inclined, it can re-ordered along other criteria, such as maximum elevation, total gain, distance, etc. Also, for peaks & passes not starting from a fixed trailhead, my starting points are somewhat arbitrary, but reflect what I believe are logical overnight spots in which to stay before embarking early next morning.

Sierra passes & peaks(2).xlsx
Sierra peaks & passes
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

Dave, I've heard the same conflicting information and claims regarding Shepherd. In my mind, there are two distinct dangers resulting from the differing error types:

1. Underestimate the mileage and find out you have further to go
2. Overestimate the mileage and find out you've overestimated your ability

It's purely subjective and one of merely personally preference, but I naturally prefer to avoid #2. If I were to update my spreadsheet to indicate Shepherd was 12 miles rather than 9.5 - but it was actually in error (approx 25%), what happens if that error translated to a hike where I believed I was traveling 20 miles per day, but was actually only hiking 15? Then, based on this (over) confidence, I commit to a hike that really is 20 miles per day? This, of course, is the type of error one hears about occurring in run training.

Likewise, if I were to change the mileage to 12 from 9.5, it will effect the gain per mile. That is, make it seem less steep. Again, I'd rather err on my preferred side, rather than the other.

Lastly, I am aware of the distance discrepancies, and keep that in mind as a lot of this stuff is purely subjective based on weather condition, personal condition, how you are physically feeling that day, that hour, etc. For example, sometimes I can almost jog uphill @ 12k (like motoring up NAP), other times I can't figure out what's wrong me as a I keep stopping to catch my breath (cough, Forester, cough). LOL

As always, YMMV
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Re: Maverick's 2015 Annual HST Meet-Up 7/22-7/24/15

Postby SSSdave » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:27 am

Actually if you read what I did on the summitpost.org link, I located the trail on the satellite image, enough of which is visible to draw the new trail by carefully overlaying satellite onto topo in Photoshop. Then Bob Burd overlayed his GPS track which was even more accurate which closely matched. Once a trail is drawn on a topo including minor twists and turns, mileage can be reasonably closely totaled up even without a GPS program. I won't go into my technique herein beyond relating I break each mile up into short quarter mile segments then use the edge of a paper marked in same 1/4 mile segments marking small sections with a pencil to measure those 1/4 mile lengths on a map. Also the GPS tools crudely do so by programming as well as estimate vertical with altimeter options. In the future much better trail mileage and vertical statistics are likely as soon as communities of enthusiasts pool what is recorded by their GPS tools.
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