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Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby KevinDo » Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:58 pm

Hey Folks!

Hope all is going well.

Has anyone gone out to the Thousand Island Lake area during June? . I was planning on going this year via the high trail in mid-June. Was planning on staying 1 night at TI lake on the western side than going down past Garnet and over to Iceberg lake for the night. If conditions look good, than maybe try going over the use trail to cecile and eventually back to Agnew meadow.

Did some searching and found this thread
http://www.highsierratopix.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12846&p=96304&hilit=Thousand+Island+Lake+June#p96304

Conditions seem to be tame for nice trip? (in comparison to the last few months out in the high sierra! :retard: ](*,) By that I mean it doesn't seem like I'll need snow shoes or crampons :rock: Also will 25 degree bags work? I should I still bring out my 0 degree bag?

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Class 3 terrain/pass/x-country
- River crossings
- Snow travel (including river crossings)

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-Kevin


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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby paul » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:51 pm

Given that 2011 was way above average - almost double - and this year so far we are at 85% of average, you may want to rephrase your question a bit.
But typically, in June at 1000 island you''ll find some snow but not too much, plenty of skeeters; should be okay with the 25 degree bags I would think, and won't need crampons unless you want to go over the ridge at crack of dawn.
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby maverick » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:54 pm

Here you go Kevin 6/20 - 7/2/11 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9-UygPFtRA
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby KevinDo » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:00 pm

paul wrote:Given that 2011 was way above average - almost double - and this year so far we are at 85% of average, you may want to rephrase your question a bit.
But typically, in June at 1000 island you''ll find some snow but not too much, plenty of skeeters; should be okay with the 25 degree bags I would think, and won't need crampons unless you want to go over the ridge at crack of dawn.


Good point! Was wondering just how bad it could be. A bit tired of snow camping for the year so it's nice to hear that there won't be too much snow!

Revised my question.

Thanks for the input!
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby maverick » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:04 pm

Are you staying on the High Route after Garnet Pass? Whitebark Pass and the traverse at Iceberg Lake, may require you to carry crampons and/or ice axe, depending on your comfort/experience on snow. If you time your climb and traverse after the snow has softened a bit, neither may be needed, the traverse gets hit by the sun in the afternoon, so time it accordingly.

The class 3 section from Cecile Lake to Minaret Lake can be avoided by using the route in the link, there are ducks and a faint use trail, but depending on the snow levels these may be covered and not be useful. HST Map

A 25F bag should be suffice, 0F is overkill, unless your a cold sleeper.
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby KevinDo » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:30 pm

maverick wrote:Are you staying on the High Route after Garnet Pass? Whitebark Pass and the traverse at Iceberg Lake, may require you to carry crampons and/or ice axe, depending on your comfort/experience on snow. If you time your climb and traverse after the snow has softened a bit, neither may be needed, the traverse gets hit by the sun in the afternoon, so time it accordingly.

The class 3 section from Cecile Lake to Minaret Lake can be avoided by using the route in the link, there are ducks and a faint use trail, but depending on the snow levels these may be covered and not be useful. HST Map

A 25F bag should be suffice, 0F is overkill, unless your a cold sleeper.


Hey Maverick,

Thanks for the input! Since the significant other doesn't like dicey things (yet she likes to climb #-o ) I will most likely opt for going over garnet pass (island pass?) and staying along Garnet lake and reconnecting with the JMT/Shadow Creek area. Would have loved to check out Nydiver Lake but don't think it will be possible this time around.

Regarding the Cecile/Minaret/Iceberg lake area, is there any lake you would recommend for a campsite? From my searches here, it seems most people liked iceberg better? While Cecile was pretty, it seems like it would be the more crowded area. Trying to stay away from crowds here.

I generally go XC at yosemite but as I am taking a few folks with me, I'm trying to be a little bit less adventurous :\ .

Thanks for all the help guys!
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby maverick » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:40 pm

Near the northern end of Iceberg is sublime, campsites at Cecile are :thumbsdown: .

PS By the way, our HST Meet-ups are a lot of fun, you have to attended one to make up your own mind, and not base it on someone who has never attended one. :nod:
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby KevinDo » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:27 pm

maverick wrote:Near the northern end of Iceberg is sublime, campsites at Cecile are :thumbsdown: .

PS By the way, our HST Meet-ups are a lot of fun, you have to attended one to make up your own mind, and not base it on someone who has never attended one. :nod:


Perfect! Makes Day 2 a little bit shorter. I was thinking of making a tad bit shorter by bushwhacking over the saddle south of garnet instead of reconnecting with the JMT. If the terrain's nice, I might be able to shave off 2 miles ish.

Here's my idea (the hashed trail is the JMT)
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Hmm..I will definitely reconsider. Its 7/28 correct? Gotta figure out how I'll make my way out there. Maybe a multi day trip from Nelson...
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby alpinemike » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:54 pm

With the exception of going to Cecile and Minaret Lake I did your route back in the first few days of June in 2014. It was a fairly dry winter we had had preceding it. That is definitely not the case this year as previously mentioned. But... I would caution Iceberg to Cecile. That is a fairly steep slope and I wouldn't care to do it unless I had at least an ice axe and depending on conditions some microspikes. A fall on that slope sends you directly into the lake. At the beginning of June of that year there was a solid amount of snow and a bit of ice above Lake Ediza (which was extremely spectacular). A couple weeks later is better this year but then again given we have a lot more snow it might be very similar conditions. Iceberg lake when I went was still completely frozen over. You're likely to see plenty of icebergs and run into at least some snow.

My mentality.. If in doubt I always bring the ice axe. I'll be bringing one this year for early July because I plan to climb peaks. The safety that comes with one is a serious peace of mind for me. Of course...that is given you know how to properly use one to self arrest.
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby KevinDo » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:28 am

Hey Mike,

Appreciate the input! How was the snow cover along most of the trail in 2014? I will most likely NOT do the last portion from ICeberg to Cecile to Agnew. Did you exit from iceberg using the JMT or river trail?

Now I can't decide if I want to stay at Ediza or Iceberg ](*,)
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby alpinemike » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:37 am

So I went into Ediza via the River Trail from Agnew Meadows and then up the JMT past Shadow Lake. I would highly recommend at least hiking by Shadow Lake and soaking in all the amazing views. From Ediza I dayhiked up to Iceberg and then took the JMT to Thousand Island. From Thousand Island I took the High Trail (PCT) back out to Agnew. I definitely wouldn't miss an opportunity taking the High Trail since the views are unforgettable.

Snow cover was fairly minimal most of the way. I remember there was snow on the north facing slopes into both Thousand Island and Garnet especially at that little pass right before Garnet Lake on the JMT. But the slopes aren't steep and there was plenty of foot traffic through there. The much more significant snow was from Ediza to Iceberg. There was no trail to follow.. It was just all snow. You will probably have a mix of that this year.. Although you might have more trail from Ediza at the lower parts and still snow toward the top. Just depends on how quickly it starts to really warm up. Route finding though is fairly straightforward so I wouldn't worry too much.

Both Ediza and Iceberg have epic views. Although something about Ediza really spoke to me.. and the camping there on the North shore is magnificent. The trail follows along the East and South shores but it's possible to cross the creek a little below the outlet and stay on the Northern side of the shoreline. It's a minor talus walk but for me the views were definitely worth it. Or you can just walk around the lake and enjoy the views on all sides.

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The view from the North side of Ediza. Right by camp..


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Iceberg Lake and the slope that I was referring to to get up to Cecile.
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Re: Conditions around Thousand Island During June?

Postby maverick » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:39 pm

Now I can't decide if I want to stay at Ediza or Iceberg ](*,)


Camp at Ediza and do a day hike up to Iceberg Lake in the morning, before any breeze kicks in so you get that mirror reflection and the first sun rays hit the ridge between Clyde and Eichorn Minaret, and touches the tips of Rice and Bedayan Minaret. If you just go earlier on a breeze free day, you will have a feeling of being in natures church as you sit on the boulder at the northern end of the lake.

Yes, the views from Shadow Lake are well worth using the Shadow Creek Trail, as you get to the eastern end of the lake, at the outlet, cross it, and follow the shoreline to a huge boulder, the views across the lakes with the mountains as a back drop is beautiful.
The High Trail has some epic views of Shadow Lake in the foreground, with the creek flowing from it, and the entire Minarets and Banner/Ritter on the skyline. :nod:
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