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The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby markskor » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:25 am

The Rough Fire was finally contained last weekend after 3 months.They're not re-opening Cedar Grove until next year, the park newsletter mentioned roadway and guardrail damage.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Roug ... 617345.php
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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby SSSdave » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:29 pm

Map of Rough Fire perimeter below.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CASNF/20 ... 7-CDT.jpeg

In the past for my wildflower close-up work have driven a lot of the roads in those areas including obscure dirt roads. Read some reports that although the fires went through some significant giant sequoia groves, the intensities were muted and most big trees came out well as is the nature of their bark.

Shows it burned along SR180 over Junction Vista Point area that had burned maybe a couple decades before. A lot of the lower canyon areas were chaparral. Burned over Belden Cave and all the huge limestone peaks about there then a few miles upstream. Also burned for miles areas upstream of Pine Flat Reservoir above the Rodgers Crossing Bridge including along Trimmer Springs Road next to the Kings River. Some of those areas have historically shown signicant wildflower displays that given some decent winter rains we can expect with all the freed up minerals and nutrients to appear next spring looking like they are on steroids. During my lifetime those areas have been difficult landscapes to access beyond road edges because of considerable poison oak. Much like some Rim Fire areas I walked about last spring that had been PO nightmares.

http://www.davidsenesac.com/2015_Trip_C ... 015-6.html

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Thus will likely try and spend some time along those areas next spring.
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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby giantbrookie » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:40 pm

One thing that worries me is that some very steep (normally vegetated) slopes above 180 burned. This may lead to elevated mudslide hazards when the snow melts, as well as potential hazards during the summer during heavy downpours associated with thundershowers. There may be more closures of 180 this coming spring/summer than we're used to seeing.
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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby zacjust32 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:59 pm

Inciweb has the Burn Area Emergency Response online here: BAER Report. A simple google search for "BAER Rough fire" results in some more documentation.
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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby zacjust32 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:26 pm

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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby RoguePhotonic » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:54 pm

Expect growth of "Eriodictyon parryi" (Poodle Dog Bush) at lower elevations. I have spotted it along the old dirt road that runs beyond the pack station. It's nasty stuff.
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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby limpingcrab » Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:45 pm

Here's the very last of it, taken on my walk back from Tombstone Ridge and the Obelisk on November 1st, almost three months to the day after lightning started the fire while I was in Tehipite Valley.

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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby chulavista » Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:18 pm

markskor wrote:The Rough Fire was finally contained last weekend after 3 months.They're not re-opening Cedar Grove until next year, the park newsletter mentioned roadway and guardrail damage.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Roug ... 617345.php


I followed the daily updates and checked the maps every day as that fire progressed. I don't know anything about wildland fires and had a few questions. I noticed the response team kept building various fire lines of different types and the fire kept going past the fire lines. Were those lines built knowing that the fire was going to go by them (maybe to slow it down?)? Is there a "simple" way to describe the fire fighting tactics in a short paragraph or a website that explains what they were trying to accomplish with the various lines and helicopter drops?
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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby maverick » Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:47 pm

Is there a "simple" way to describe the fire fighting tactics in a short paragraph or a website that explains what they were trying to accomplish with the various lines and helicopter drops?


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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby sekihiker » Sat Nov 14, 2015 6:39 pm

Thanks for all the links to FS reports. I spend a lot of time in the area, from Spanish Mountain northward. I too followed the fire's progress on almost a daily basis and was relieved that its northward and eastward progress was stopped. It burned along a trail that I took to Geraldine Lakes this summer and I hope it cleared out some of the dead fall. For more info on what I've been doing in the area, see:
http://www.inaturalist.org/journal/sekihiker/4392
http://www.inaturalist.org/calendar/sekihiker/2015/6/25
http://www.inaturalist.org/calendar/sekihiker/2015/6/26
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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby limpingcrab » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:57 am

Were those lines built knowing that the fire was going to go by them (maybe to slow it down?)?


Those lines were to stop the fire but this fire had some strange behavior and just kept crossing the lines. That said, they do start with fire lines further back and build additional ones closer to the fire so that if the closest lines are crossed there are already backup lines ready to go, so the closer lines aren't usually as fortified.

I'm friends with several of the firefighters who worked the fire so here are some insights into what happened.

-More dead trees than usual this year increased "crowning," when the fire moves through the treetops and this crosses fire lines more easily than ground fires and sends embers further.

-The terrain, as you know, was extremely rough in many of the places so there was more roll out, when burning logs or rocks carrying embers are released as the ground level vegetation burns, sending them rolling downhill and igniting things along the way, often across fire lines. Much of this was caused by the Yucca in the particular fire, they started calling them "Yucca Bombs" or something like that.

-The terrain and heat also creates its own small weather patterns with extremely strong winds that push the fire in difficult to predict directions.

-Sometimes they ignite fire along the fire lines to burn toward the main fire and use up the fuel before it arrives. On at least two occasion for sure, and perhaps another that was unconfirmed, the back burns crossed the fire lines themselves and helped the fire progress.

-The rough terrain also often prevented fire lines from being completed as desired so they were still weak when the fire arrived, this was a major problem along the south bank of the kings river as it moved by the Boole Tree and towards Dunlap.

All of this together helped the fire cross more lines than many of the firefighters had ever seen in any other fire and gave it quite a reputation. They basically chalked it up to luck that the fire stopped where it did and didn't burn the Snowline Lodge and Dunlap, it was essentially a miracle aided by prevailing winds and some small changes in the weather. I guess that was probably a longer response than you wanted, sorry. It was quite the fire to watch and I'm glad it didn't get our cabin in Wilsonia! I actually have a collection of the briefing maps that I would get after the AM briefings from the southern command that I will post in the cabin and use to talk to my students about fire ecology.

Hope that helped a bit!

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Re: The Rough Fire finally contained

Postby chulavista » Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:15 pm

Thanks Daniel! Great explanation.
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