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Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby SilentGiant » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:27 pm

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to this discussion group so forgive me if this has already been discussed. This is a slightly different take on the subject.

In my spare time, I research and investigate alleged bigfoot and sasquatch sightings in the Central and Southern California areas. I've spoken to quite a few witnesses regarding the subject and let me tell you, there are more than you think. Of course there are the some who are misinterpreting, exaggerating or otherwise flat out crazy, but that is often fairly easy to determine through a simple interview. However, it's hard to flat-out discount the testimony of experienced hunters, fishermen, outdoorsmen, Forest Service, military, law enforcement and the otherwise credible people who I assume frequent this site. That's not saying anything about the valid physical evidence that has been collected, much of which the general public knows very little about. I'll throw it out there that as a child I witnessed what could have been one of these elusive creatures, and as an adult I treat this subject with the utmost respect and seriousness.

I am currently soliciting stories from folks who might have had these experiences and are reluctant to share them with anyone else. I'm also happy to hear tales that have already been told or that you'd be willing to share in this thread. If this starts a discussion that's great.

For some reason, this subject seems to elicit a viscerally strong reaction in most people, with the majority making the absolute assertion that the subject if for crackpots and fools. I happen to think otherwise. I'm used to the sideways glances and eye rolls from the general public, but I'd hope that we could leave the teasing and ridicule out of this thread. I'm ready for the inevitable mother-in-law jokes, so fire away. My skin is thick and I have a sense of humor.

If you have a story to share, feel free to PM me. I would love to hear about it.

Thanks so much for your time.

-Scott



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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby k9mark » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:09 pm

I'm surprised no one has any stories...
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby AlmostThere » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:06 pm

I'm not.

I grew up in the mountains and have been in them frequently in the past 30 years, and monthly/bimonthly/trimonthly for the past seven. I have never seen, heard nor heard anyone ever mention anything that may have remotely been a bigfoot.
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby RoguePhotonic » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:32 pm

I have never myself even remotely seen anything like that.

One man in Bubbs Creek near where you leave the tree line headed for Forester claims two years in a row he saw a pair of yeti with arms down to their feet. He was back again looking to see them again but didn't.

I never try to make fun of anyone based on simple things like this but this guy was a classic image of a man that has done allot of LSD. I don't doubt he saw something for sure.
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby dave54 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:00 pm

I tend to stay away from the topic. So many of the so-called 'credible' and 'reliable' sightings on the various bigfoot web sites are fabrications submitted just to see if the story would be printed.

and some people still insist the patterson film hoax is genuine. I laugh at that one...
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby rlown » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:02 pm

k.. I'll play.. what altitude are you looking at because at some point you're talking about sustainability of a rather large creature. Heck, bears and deer don't even play up high anymore except went moving from range to range. What altitude are you targeting?
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby TahoeJeff » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:39 am

Here is a story about a guy trying to fake a bigfoot sighting that didn't turn out so well:

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/08 ... ise-killed
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby copeg » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:33 pm

For what its worth, here's an old thread with a similar discussion:
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby SilentGiant » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:22 pm

Hello All,

I posted this a few days ago and just returned to check the progress. I got a few PM's so to those folks, thank you for your time and trust. As I initially promised, those stories will remain private.

First off I'd like to say that I did not start this thread to debate the possible existence or non-reality of bigfoot. There are plenty of threads on countless sites dedicated to that and there really isn't much of a need for many more. While that discussion is, at it's heart an interesting one, that's not what I'm after here.

I am interested to speaking to those who have either had their own experiences or have heard about qualifying experiences from trustworthy sources. If you know of anyone who might be on the fence about talking to someone like me, you can be assured that I would treat them with the utmost respect and confidentiality.

If you guys care to read any more I'll try to address a few of the questions/ points that have been publicly posted.

AlmostThere: It's not surprising that you have not seen or heard anything bf. related. Most people don't. The forest is vast, people are noisy and most intelligent wildlife will make itself scarce at the approach of humans. We're penetrating a vast expanses of wilderness on a thin network of trails and roads. Most of us find it easy to follow the path of least resistance, be it game trail, indigenous trade route, F.S. trail, fire road, or mountain roads. Even considering all of those in their totality I'd assume that the majority of the space we consider to be thoroughly explored is in all actuality a very small area surrounding these thoroughfares. The remaining 99% is quite a bit of space.

As far as people talking freely about potential bf experiences, it just doesn't happen that often. The general public has a habit of instantly minimizing everything to a talking point, ie: "drunk", "crazy", "lying", "misinterpretation" etc. so many witnesses probably keep their mouths shut rather than dealing with the scorn thrown their way. Some folks I've spoken have agonized for a long time before coming forward to talk to someone about it. I'm sure it's not the case on this board, but even within the community of bf researchers and enthusiasts there's a nasty undertone to many conversations.

RoughPhotonic: Do you have any idea of who that guy was and how I might contact him? If he's really an acid casualty it might not be worth the time but you never know.

Dave54: I don't believe that the Patterson/Gimlin film has ever been debunked. Many have tried including the author Greg Long and a man named Bob Hieronimous. Although Patterson had a few holes in his story and was a bit rough around the edges, he passed away a while ago, going to his grave insisting on the authenticity of the footage. For the past 50 years, Bob Gimlin (the man who accompanied Patterson during those searches) has withstood public scrutiny and ridicule while making nothing in terms of any kind of profit. To this day he will freely talk to anyone that wants to about the film and he has proven to be a man of high integrity by many who have met and known him. I am somewhat on the fence but I tend to believe that the film is authentic. There's a pretty thorough breakdown here if you're interested: http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp Yes, it's from a pro bigfoot organization but not many others have invested the time into researching and putting it together in one place.

Rlown: From what I can figure, it seems like these things follow the food source in terms of elevation. Many researchers feel that their habitat mirrors that of most other animals, higher in the summer, lower in the winter. I've followed up on more than a few reports that were between 2,000 and 4,000 feet above sea level. Of course there are more people at those elevations to see them, but the logic seems to follow that theory. Oak and Sycamore forests seem to be popular sighting areas. Blackberries are thought to be another major food source. Those are the ares that I tend to check out.

Of course it's all speculation. We don't have a body and there's no way to accurately gauge the credibility of witness reports that are out in the public domain. That's why I'm on this board talking to you all, hoping that I can speak first hand to witnesses and interview them for myself. I'm genuinely interested in hearing their stories and making my own judgement calls as to weather or not to include that "data" in my informal collection. While I really hope that something like a bf could exist, I don't just flat out believe it because I want them to be real. It doesn't hurt to look though and this search of mine gets me out into the most amazing mountain range in the world and I always feel a whole lot better when I clock back into work on Monday.

Thanks for your time everybody and hopefully some more people will chime in.

Have fun out there and be careful. Get some more time in before the snow hits.

Best Regards,

Scott
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby SilentGiant » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:24 pm

By the way, I have no idea why there are hyperlinks to words like "discount" and "law enforcement" in my first post. I din not put them in there.
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby AlmostThere » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:55 pm

SilentGiant wrote:Hello All,


AlmostThere: It's not surprising that you have not seen or heard anything bf. related. Most people don't. The forest is vast, people are noisy and most intelligent wildlife will make itself scarce at the approach of humans. We're penetrating a vast expanses of wilderness on a thin network of trails and roads. Most of us find it easy to follow the path of least resistance, be it game trail, indigenous trade route, F.S. trail, fire road, or mountain roads. Even considering all of those in their totality I'd assume that the majority of the space we consider to be thoroughly explored is in all actuality a very small area surrounding these thoroughfares. The remaining 99% is quite a bit of space.



I am search and rescue, and trained in tracking. I look at the ground all the time, whether leisure backpacking (when I also often go cross country) and practice identifying tracks of all kinds.

I also grew up in the Sierra. I also know many people on trail crews, backpacking and wilderness guides, and people who basically make their lives out of being out there. The majority of my search team have deep rooted ties in the outdoors here.

I am not the sort of person who would miss such hints. Neither are most of the folks I spend time with, or the folks I hike with. I grew up in a tiny town in the foothills, all my family were hunters and no one has seen or said anything - and they would have.

There were two boys in school who swore Bigfoot existed, but they had no claim to fame there - they admitted they'd never seen one, or any trace.

I have, however, seen the Sierra red fox and had no idea it was a rarity to see them. Also spotted bear, cougar, and many other prints all over, as well as bear sightings, fisher sightings, beaver, weasel and a number of others. Even porcupines, which no one ever seems to see either.
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Re: Seeking Bigfoot Encounter Stories

Postby dave54 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:28 am

SilentGiant wrote:...Dave54: I don't believe that the Patterson/Gimlin film has ever been debunked. Many have tried including the author Greg Long and a man named Bob Hieronimous. Although Patterson had a few holes in his story and was a bit rough around the edges, he passed away a while ago, going to his grave insisting on the authenticity of the footage. For the past 50 years, Bob Gimlin (the man who accompanied Patterson during those searches) has withstood public scrutiny and ridicule while making nothing in terms of any kind of profit. To this day he will freely talk to anyone that wants to about the film and he has proven to be a man of high integrity by many who have met and known him. I am somewhat on the fence but I tend to believe that the film is authentic. There's a pretty thorough breakdown here if you're interested: http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp Yes, it's from a pro bigfoot organization but not many others have invested the time into researching and putting it together in one place....


I have read and researched all the debunking attempts I could find. There are much better attempts than the one you posted. All failed. There will always be 'true believers' no matter what evidence is presented, and I will not get sucked into a discussion here. You have the right to believe anything you want, whether Jimmy Hoffa is really living in his UFO base in the Bermuda Triangle, the P-G film, or the world is secretly controlled by the Trilateral Commission. :lol:

i completely dismiss the line of argument that it's all unexplored. As pointed out earlier, many, if not most, here hike off trail extensively. We see bear and deer carcasses frequently, scat, tracks, and all other forms of animal sign. Yet no one has seen a bigfoot. In my many years in the Forest Service I pored over thousands of high resolution aerial photos. I have seen bear, deer, and elk on the photos, and twice an unclothed couple in amorous embrace (they just thought they had privacy). No bigfoot. I have seen many fleeting glimpses of large animals I could not identify -- none of those rise to the level of proof of bigfoot.

There are new species discovered in our back yards all the time. The new species of butterfly discovered in Lassen Volcanic NP, a new species of orchid in Shasta NF, and the new species of fungus that actually was a new genus -- all within the past few years. All of these are small, no new large species. The odds of a viable population of hominids living in an area as developed and explored and visited as the Sierra Nevada are astronomically remote.

So why do people keep claiming to see them? Many reasons. As you pointed out a sizable number are outright fabrications, a well concocted story that never really happened, submitted for the author's personal reasons. Some are third party hoaxes, like the teenagers in a modified gorilla costume in Plumas County a few years back (mid 1980's?). They generated a lot of 'sightings' before a local reporter tracked them down. Some are misidentification of bear, elk, or deer or other animals. And some are psychological creations, seen in the mind but not by the eyes. An analogy can be made to the sightings of leprechauns in Ireland to this day by credible educated and successful people that pass polygraph tests with their tales. Or elves and trolls in mainland Europe, Britain's faeries, or Jinn in the middle east -- same phenomenom. Some researchers put Christianity's angels and flying saucers/aliens in the same category.

So we fall back to the argument of absence of proof is not proof of absence. Although we cannot absolutely dismiss the existence, there also is no reliable evidence. As of now bigfoot is nothing more than folklore and amusing campfire stories.
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