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who has/had knee problems?

Postby lostcoyote » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:49 pm

i really have messed up my right knee...

who can relate?



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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby Maddog61 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:32 am

I can. They just cropped up over the last half of 2012. My right knee has been in pain for about 6 months. I quit running altogether, rest, ice, NSAIDs, Etc. Nothing seems to help. I'm trying not to whine about it lol. But you asked! Where does yours hurt?

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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby balzaccom » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:15 pm

Me too. But six months of rest seems to have got be back on track....
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby Rockchucker » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:25 am

Working construction has hammered my knees. I try to really take care of them. My recent day hiking regiment of steep, sandy, mixed with fast miles several times a week have strengthened my knees and ankles tremendously.
I'm no suture for my future.
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby RooPhillip » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:13 am

My knees have progressively gotten more jacked up as the years go by.

A few years ago I found a pair of knee braces that are soft, stretchy, and secure with velcro. Big 5 sells them for about 20 bucks each. They've helped me tremendously. I think the brand name is Tru-Fit.

Not only do they help with hiking, but it's amazing the sense of stabilty I get when fishing, especially in rocky pocketwater.
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby lostcoyote » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:35 am

i used one of those flexible braces last year. they sure do hold the sweat - LOL

my knee problem started 28 years ago when i had a serious downhill ski injury. my right knee went through a severe reverse compression (hyper extention i guess) and the popetiel artery was crushed. i didn't even know that it had happened. we were skiing at june mountain and the runs start out steep and pan out at the bottom. anyway, heading into the flats, we were going very fast and there was a shady spot. i did not see the dip in the run and when i hit it, i lunged forward and hyper-extended my knee becuse when enreting the flats, i was standing pretty much upright at that time without my knees bent.

anyway, overnight, the artery clotted and i ended up having to have a bypass done. they removed one of my major veins, turned it around, and used it for the artery.
as a result, my return circulation has never been as good and i have some permanent nerve damage.... and.... as i get older, this is all finally catching up with me.

then around 16 years ago, imwas hiking out in utah and had to make a 4 foot running jump to get to another sandstone ledge. landing on mym right leg, i felt my knee almost give out and a sharp pain... but it went away after a few minutes.... so whatever i stressed there is what the problem is right now. not sure if it's an ACL partial tear or not.... and the orthopedic guy i was referred to would not do an MRI to see. (f-k kaiser permanente)

so i have to be very careful.

i have a bad feeling that my 40+ year backpacking career may be coming to an end if things do not improve.
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby maverick » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:31 am

LC wrote:
not sure if it's an ACL partial tear or not.... and the orthopedic guy i was referred to
would not do an MRI to see. (f-k kaiser permanente)


Go ask to see another doctor, and if you have to go to another KP, sometimes
you have to be forceful and persistent in getting them to do what you would like
them to do. My wife had to see three different surgeons, at three different locations
until she finally got what and who she wanted at Kaiser.
It is your knee and your backpacking career, don't give in after one, two, or even
three tries LC!
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby austex » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:50 am

K P has a policy for a 2nd opinion; use it.
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby freestone » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:59 pm

not sure if it's an ACL partial tear or not.... and the orthopedic guy i was referred to would not do an MRI to see


Did he give an opinion or a diagnosis? If he felt MRI was not indicated or helpful in the diagnosis, the orthopedist should explain, and offer a treatment for the condition. Managed Care is a numbers game, as in ICD-9 codes. Depending on how the diagnosis is coded, determines if Imaging will be covered or not. MRI is not cheap, so it's use is tightly controlled.
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby Timberline » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:39 pm

I envy you guys who confess to this problem but feel you can keep going. I've experienced a progressive deterioration from osteoarthritis in my right knee that relentlessly makes me aware of how risky it would be to launch forth into the wild only have an accident - - i.e., one bad step in rocky underfooting - - out on the trail , alone. I attribute it to a lot of years of bull-headed determination to go out there, no matter what, and I'm not sorry and won't apologize! Now, though, just walking out to get the mail everyday reminds me how vulnerable I could be. Since I don't have a hiking partner, and I don't feel I can ask someone else to take on a rescue responsibility if I crash, hiking seems out of reach (not to mention my age!) So go for it, and more power to ya! And take pictures, so I can continue to vicariously enjoy all your adventures! Just wish I could be out there with ya. :nod:
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby LMBSGV » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:19 pm

K P has a policy for a 2nd opinion; use it.


I want to second this. I won't go into medical details, but a couple of years ago, I insisted on a second opinion from the head of the department when I disagreed with the original doctor. The head of the department disagreed with the original doctor and overruled his diagnosis.

This was a culmination of a several month process in which I learned that one has to stand their ground and insist on getting certain people at Kaiser to do that they are supposed to do. On a couple of occasions I literally refused to move until they complied. I said this is my life, the only one I have, and you are not going to get away with bureaucratic doublespeak to deny me the care I am entitled to (and paid for in my monthly insurance bills). One time, I even resorted to threatening a malpractice lawsuit before the person complied. To put it in shorter, simpler terms, sometimes one has to be a jerk to get Kaiser's attention. (I noticed the preview censored the word I used instead of jerk - I assume you will get the original meaning.)

Good luck. I hope you are hiking in the future and taking your beautiful photos.
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Re: who has/had knee problems?

Postby balzaccom » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 am

Let me add my voice to those urging you to ask for more info at Kaiser. I have a great orthopedist there, who DID do and MRI, and that gave us a lot of information about what is going on in my knee. If mine doesn't get better, the next step may be surgery.

But as my orthopedist noted: "every surgeon will tell you that he/she is 100% sure that the surgery will fix the problem. But only 70% of surgeries are successful."

Before I go under the knife, I promised this guy I would check back with him to get his take on the situation, based on both x-rays and MRIs.
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