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Re: Sony game changers

Postby fishmonger » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:10 am

maverick wrote: but will wait to see what the
5D3 has to offer,


http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/02 ... D-Mark-III

improved weather sealing and movie features. yawn.



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Re: Sony game changers

Postby maverick » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:36 pm

5D Mark 3 = :puke:
What a joke, where is our studio/landscape camera Canon. They discontinued the
1DS Mark 3, then give us 2 camera's of similar megapixels in the 1DX and 5D Mark 3. :\
So they added some new features, and finally added a better autofocus, which they
should have added to started with, and now want $3400 for it. :lol:
Some of us need/want more megapixels to be able to print larger, and get sharper
details without having to stitch (or go to medium format), which works fine in some
cases, but in cases of movement (clouds, water) not so well.
They seem to ration out the features, and gives a little more on each upgrade, unlike
Nikon which loads there less expensive models full of features that are in there top
of the line camera's.
Look at all the features in the new D800!
With all that said, I will wait till Oct to see if they have anything up there sleeves, and
see what Sony throws into the mix.
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Re: Sony game changers

Postby fishmonger » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:27 am

Well, what have you decided to do? My Sony drool episode came to an end when Nikon released the D600 and then decided to throw in a lens and take off another $200 over the holidays. I'm now listing all my DX stuff on ebay. LOVE the D600 - just as compact and 'light' as the D7000, super dynamic range, better low light performance, 24mp is plenty for me, given a D800e would have cost me almost twice as much. All my old MF full frame Nikkors now work the way they were supposed to work, too.

I don't think Canon has anything to compete on the level of sensor quality right now. They may do better video, but that's not of primary concern to me. They blew it, since I was ready to change systems if they had released a great affordable FX body, as I have access to a friend's selection of high end Canon glass at any time and I would have swallowed the cost of a few basic lenses to cover daily needs. Nikon's D600 was that body I was waiting for...

When I saw the D800 as refurb for $2299 I was tempted, but I never saw a D800e at a reasonable discount, plus the big D600 deal was going on at the same time. The difference in cost buys me a whole trip to the Sierras (heading out in April), and that's worth more to me than the extra 12 MP. Maybe one day I'll remove the AA filter from the D600 to make my own D600e, but that'll have to wait a while until I know I am keeping it for a long time. When I saw this comparison, I almost ordered the D800e:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/conten ... 1676-12555
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Re: Sony game changers

Postby maverick » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:34 am

Fish wrote:
Well, what have you decided to do?


WIll not play their games and will wait till they introduce a body that works for me!
My Canon will still produce great quality pieces for the next couple of years even if
I have to do multi-for panorama's to get the size and resolution once in a while.
Also Canon needs to make a better sensor that can produce a better dynamic range
similar/better than the D800, and something in the mid 40's or higher when it comes
to the MP's. I do not care about high iso, though at least give us clear noise free photo's
up to 3200, would like to see clean low iso 50 or lower, with great color, and high a
dynamic range, but this may just be a pipe dream with the way Canon R&D has
been going. Will see what the new year brings us. :D
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Re: Sony game changers

Postby richlong8 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:40 pm

Regarding the Sony Nex system: I tried it, and I wanted to like it, but I decided against it. I really liked the Nex-6 body, and it was light, and easy to use in non-automatic modes. But it come down to the same thing most people don't like, lens selection, limited, not that light, and low quality. I don't want to have to put an lens adapter on the Sony, and use legacy lenses, to backpack, or whatever. I did try the Olympus OM-D for 6 months last year, and it was pretty good, but I sold it, and now, I am using the new Panasonic G-5, which is half the price of the Olympus, with access to good lenses that are lighter than a Nikon or Canon. Not as good of a camera, but I am concentrating on learning how to take better photos. It is good enough for someone of my ability. Welcome back Maverick!
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Re: Sony game changers

Postby maverick » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:02 pm

"Richlong8 wrote:
Not as good of a camera, but I am concentrating on learning how to take better
photos. It is good enough for someone of my ability. Welcome back Maverick!


Thanks Rich! A good camera will not make a person a good photographer it is
only a tool which one should keep in mind when purchasing one. Many people buy
a camera way beyond their needs or means and then get discouraged that their
photographs still aren't any better (just to make it clear those previous sentences
are not directed towards you). You're 100% correct in saying that one should first
concentrate on learning the basic's, then move on to developing an individual style
before ever thinking about purchasing any expensive equipment.
Many folks do not take the time to know how to use their camera's either, instead
they switch to auto avoiding manual, Av, TV modes, or learning the effects of the
different apertures, speed or ISO settings have on the whole creative process.
When one comes upon a popular lookout, for example the eastern end of Thousand
Is Lake, instead of standing where 15 other photographer's who hiked by on the
JMT that day and took the same shot of the same scene, you should be creative by
moving lower to the ground or include something into the foreground, find a different
unique angle, challenge yourself to think constantly outside of the box otherwise
your shots may be good technically, but nothing out of the ordinary and similar
to 100's of snapshots taken from the same spot because you have not included your
personal emotions or individual creativity into the process.
When scouting out a location during the day that may have taken hours, sometimes
days, one still has several things to consider before taking a picture.
First, what is it that I wanting to share with my viewers, then what is the story that I
want to convey, and how can they become emotionally attached to the piece.
Where do I need the clouds to be if they are to be part of my vision, if a lake is in that
vision than will it be a partial or full view, can I use the shoreline to lead my viewers
eye to the main subject or will I use rocks in the lake to lead towards a peak in
the background.
Then deciding whether sunset or sunrise will give me the optimum lighting, because
some areas work at both times. Once a subject matter has been chosen that will
convey my vision, and all the intricate parts that are needed for this piece has come
together its on to which lens, shutter speed, aperture, and iso will best suit the whole
process, and again this is before even thinking about the shutter button.
These are is just part of what happens (do not want to put you to sleep with an
exhaustive list), after one gains some experience, knows ones equipment inside
out, and develops an individual artistic vision/style.
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Re: Sony game changers

Postby richlong8 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:16 pm

I appreciate all the input, Maverick, it is very helpful. I think this year was the first year that I shot everything manually exposed, in raw format, not just jpeg. And I have worked on understanding depth of field, lenses, hyperfocal distance, white balance, iso, adobe, high contrast scenery, and camera mechanics. The more I learn from my mistakes, and the less I have to think about the mechanics, I hope the creative develops more this year. You can't beat the subject matter! (High Sierra)
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Re: Sony game changers

Postby maverick » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:56 pm

One more quick thing, simplicity! To many people try to including everything
into their shots, lake, mountain, tree, rock, and anything else which takes your
viewers focus away from the main subject matter. Even small rock or bushes that
creep into the frame from the side can be distracting, small reflecting surfaces
can create distractions that take viewers attention away from the main focal point.
Okay, let me stop or I will keep going and going like the energizer bunny. :-# :D
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Re: Sony game changers

Postby richlong8 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:11 pm

Thank you. Again, welcome back.
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