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My New 20D

Postby doug395 » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:44 pm

I ended up coming home with a new 20D yesterday. This is my first digital camera and that instruction manual looks pretty intense. I’m slowly working my way through the menu and program modes. It’s too soon for questions, but any advice for dummies would be cool, especially settings for white balance and processing parameters.



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Postby Buck Forester » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:21 pm

Hey, congrats! You mean to tell me it comes with an instruction manual? I never cracked it open. I've never changed the white balance, whether it's a sunny day, cloudy day, evening, night, inside with flash, etc., I've never touched it. I just shoot it exactly the same I do with my Elan 7. I must warn you, it's cheating to use this camera. Everything comes out good. It's scary.
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Postby mountaineer » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:26 pm

it's cheating to use this camera


Aha! An honest photographer. Us film photogs have to WORK to get a good shot.:)
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Postby doug395 » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:26 pm

I'm going to keep reading the manual, that should be worth some credit for cheating. What about RAW verses JPEG?
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Postby Windwalker » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:31 pm

I like to shoot in the Raw :o
oops I mean RAW mode.

If you have enough memory you can shoot in Raw+JPEG too
RAW is more versatile but takes more time.
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Postby Buck Forester » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:40 pm

It depends on what I'm shooting that determines RAW vs. JPEG. If I'm shooting documentary type shots, or people shots, and stuff I doubt I'll blow up to a 10 feet by 15 feet mural on the wall, I'll shoot large jpeg. If I'm shooting a sweet landscape that could be a winner, I'll shoot in both. RAW is more versatile to work with and you don't lose anything to compression each time you save it (I usually save as a tiff), and it may give you more versatility in the future too. But jpeg is quick and simple and still gives you huge files with great detail so it's usually the mode I still shoot in. I have an Epson P-2000 so I can download my CF cards in the field and view them to make sure they downloaded okay, otherwise for a multi-day backpacking trip you're gonna need a lot of expensive CF cards. You'll also find yourself shooting the crud out of everything and have WAY more files than you can ever look at. I have stuff from Yosemite last spring I haven't even looked at yet. It's insane.
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Postby Snow Nymph » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:55 pm

Windwalker wrote:I like to shoot in the Raw :o
oops I mean RAW mode.

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Postby doug395 » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:14 pm

Thanks for all the RAW details…. the dots are starting to connect.
That 1.6 crop sure takes a bite out of my 20 -35 lens, but I like what it did to my 200mm.
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Postby copeg » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:57 pm

Can some of you digital SLR savy folk describe (or give me a resource that does) what the 20D has above and beyond the Rebel? I'm in the market for a digital SLR (I would like to stick with canon as I have some compatable lenses). I wanted the rebel, but when I held it the other day it felt very flimsy, plasticky and weak.
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Postby Windwalker » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:20 pm

A rugged magnesium alloy body for starts :D

I had the Rebel and picked up a used 20D and I love it!
Steve's Digicams -Very thorough reviews.

You might consider looking for a lightly used 20D...lots of folks moving up to the 5D. I paid $950 for mine and it looked brand new. It only had 735 exposures on it, my Rebel has 8,783.

Just a thought
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Postby Buck Forester » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:03 pm

I've shot with a digi Rebel and I own a 20D. My wife (fiance at the time) got me the 20D so it wasn't of my doing. No complaints though. :) The digi Rebel is very nice and the image quality would/should be the same between the two cameras, but what I really like about the 20D is the wheel on the back. I'm used to the wheel because my Canon Elan 7 has it too, so it's really just like a digital version of my Elan 7. The digi Rebel takes another step or two, via menus, to do the same things that a simple turn of the wheel does. At least that's been my experience, but Windwalker would be a better resource on this since he's shot extensively with both. The 20D has been out for nearly a year now so that's OLD in this new world of digital, so Canon will probably replace it very soon even though it's still wildly popular. Nikon's recent D200 upped the anty and has 10 heckapixels compared to the 20D's 8 (it's all marketing, the megapixels aren't THAT big of a deal in and of themselves), but the Nikon also has lots of other great features too. So I don't think Canon will wait long to counter it. Canon has been the leader in this market so they know what they're doing.

If you shoot landscapes, one thing I DESPISE is the 1.6x crop factor. It sucks. That's why I can't wait to get a 5D with a full-frame sensor. If you shoot wildlife or sports it's no big deal and may even be an advantage to some degree to have a crop factor. I love to go really wide-angle so I'm anti-crop factor to the max. But I still love my 20D for certain things.
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Postby doug395 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:18 pm

I took my 20D down to the beach this weekend to mess around, did my same routine of metering on AV then moving to manual. Pretty cool getting the instant feed back, but I hate the horizontal crop on my 20 mm lens; which is now 32 mm, not so bad on the vertical. I'll have to see how much difference there is with the 17-40 L lens. Not the Sierra, but one of my first shots, used a 3 hard step filter.

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