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Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by SSSdave » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:00 pm

Just received a tiny Canon PowerShot ELPH 190 camera, $149 4.7oz 10x zoom 720p video, that is mainly going to be my cheap pocket camera for resort skiing. Has very basic minimalists features and AUTO operation. Should get use in a couple days when I ski Tuesday what will likely be the best cold dry light dump of this 2019 winter. Will likely bring it up on some backpacking trips complementing my A6000, as a pocketable always at hand tool, quick for use along trails for less serious info shots. Prefer to leave the A6000 in my photo daypack except for worthwhile subjects and with 1080p is much preferred for serious videos.

I have been using my 5.4 oz moto g cellphone for that, however small smartphones are only wide angle and my unreplaceable lithium ion battery is showing its age, battery drain on any smartphone even new is large, don't GPS, and I never use the phone in wilderness. This is my fifth compact digital over the last 17 years. I own a similar older Nikon Coolpix 3100 but its battery is now weak and will be relegated to my Forester glove box.








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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by bobby49 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:59 pm

If you take snapshots, then you will find it to be OK, but if you make photographs, you might find features lacking compared to a real camera. My first complaint is that it can't shoot RAW files.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by SSSdave » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:39 pm

Why would someone want RAW features with a cheap point and shoot? As for RAW for ILC enthusiasts, although useful for serious single shots, never needed it as it has no value making multi row column stitch and focus stack blended images.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by bobby49 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:50 am

I have an ELPH, and I find the lack of RAW to be disappointing. Every other digital camera that I've had over the last 17 years has shot RAW. I use RAW files to be the equivalent of film negatives, so I have lots of RAW files going back for those 17 years. My ELPH has to be managed differently. It is a nicely compact and lightweight camera though.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by CAMERONM » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:20 am

RAW is huge to deal with highlight peaking and banding. I just got a used iPhone 8 with RAW to replace my 6, and the difference is startling, I wish I had done it earlier. RAW mitigates a lot of the deficiencies of a small sensor.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by SSSdave » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:40 am

What you say about RAW is true, however why bother with trying to take serious images with such mediocre point and shoot cameras in this era? Good tool for all the info and less important image subjects. Does it matter when one posts a 1080p image on some website especially considering how mediocre it is likely to look on average person's uncalibrated pc monitors? If one is serious about photographic printing, a cheap point and shoot camera ought not be the tool.

Have been making serious large prints from 8-bit RGB files for a long time and if one has savvy Photoshop skills, banding ought not be an issue in print files output stage adjusted for whatever media and printer. And it is rare to see banding on 8-bit RGB files out of good ILC cameras. Where banding rises in variable tone skies is usually after some post processing. A reason I almost always select out skies and save them in another layer before proceeding with color/hue/luminance adjustments. Then adjust them in isolation on their own level before blending back in. As for highlight peaking, under expose and avoid shooting high contrast subjects by knowing when light is worthwhile.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by bobby49 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:56 pm

The ELPH is lightweight and very small, which beats all my other cameras by far. It is not expensive, and that is considered when out in a hostile environment. I used it to document my trip, not to try to produce fine art. However, there have been just too many cases with other cameras when the RAW file allowed me to recover details that were lost otherwise.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by Wandering Daisy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:39 pm

My Canon, which I lost this last summer, had RAW. I shot RAW one season, and in the end, I was not able to process it any better than the non-RAW photos. So either my photographic skills are not up to RAW shooting, or my processing skills inadequate. RAW files were also very large and require hefty storage cards. I think better photographers than me could benefit from RAW. The camera I get next, will likely have RAW capabilities because I want a larger sensor, but RAW will no longer be one of my "must have" features. An actual view-finder is higher on my priority list.

I also am torn between something like the ELPH and more expensive cameras. If I were to leave an ELPH on a rock and not be able to find it (yeh, I did that with my Canon) it would not be such a loss. I also fell down a hillside and ruined another camera. The last two trips I used my I-phone, but I did not like it: I have an old I-phone. But then, if I ruined a fancy new I-phone, that would be worse than a $600 camera.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by CAMERONM » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:48 pm

The question about whether it is worth bothering using a small camera/iphone or if their efforts are "serious" is personal. I think RAW does make a difference, so if I am going to bother shooting anything, why not have it be the best it can be for that device? I can't always determine the light when I am shooting, and I prefer to just do a quick RAW edit to move through 100 images rather than stacking layers, etc. Yes, I know all the cheats and I work with the limitations, but the combo of small sensor and no RAW is a tough wall to climb.

Back to the OP, the Canon S cameras which have RAW and are comparable in size to the ELPH, like the S100 and later, are pretty good aside from softness past 50mm. One can probably find a used one for $50, so Daisy, you can shoot stress-free. Don't get an older model like the S95, they don't shoot as wide and the image-shake function is not as good.

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Re: Canon PowerShot ELPH 190

Post by maverick » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:28 pm

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