freestone wrote:I think the test is very interesting and your comments about alcohol stove wind sensitivity are spot on. My comment is that the Trangia burner is not engineered for a Clickstand, or otherwise. Conversely, the Caldera is just that, a system. I would therefore expect the Caldera system to be more effective. I think people recognize the strengths of the Trangia burner and try to improve upon the concept, not realizing the burner itself has specific requirements to achieve maximum efficiency. I 'm not convinced Clickstand is meeting those needs, but only trying to come up with a light weight alternative to the basic Trangia two part windscreen/burner support design. Sooner or later other issues need to be addressed such as stability, ease of use in uneven terrain, and performance in increment conditions. You have however made a much needed direct comparison of two very popular UL alcohol stove systems that I have been interested in purchasing. Thank you!
You're very welcome. The tests I've seen between a Trangia 27 type set up (the full Trangia windscreens + the Trangia burner) indicate that the full Trangia set up is more efficient than the Clikstand. The Clikstand does of course disassemble and fit nicely into a one liter pot.
The Clikstand works fairly well, but it is a compromise. A full traditional Trangia set up will work better but be bulkier and heavier.
The Caldera Cone limits what you can do in terms of cooking, but it is REALLY light.
Some stats for those who may be interested:
Clikstand with Trangia Burner
Clikstand S-2: 94g/3.3oz
Windscreen S-2: 37g/1.3oz (note: In my testing I used a BPL Ti windscreen, 25g/0.9oz)
Trangia Burner: 67g/2.4oz
Trangia Burner Lid: 21g/0.7 oz
Trangia Burner Simmer Ring: 23g/0.8oz
Total Trangia Burner Weight: 112g/4.0oz
Grand Total: The Clikstand with Trangia burner set up is
242g/8.5 oz total, including windscreen, burner lid, and simmer ring.
Note: The above weights are taken from the Clikstand.com website. SNOWGOOSE in Scotland wrote and gave me the actual weights for his Clikstand set up. His weights are a gram or two heavier in several cases. His total weight was 247g/8.7oz.
The Caldera Cone with 10-12 stove
Caldera Cone: 34g/1.2oz
10-12 stove: 16g/0.6oz
[float=]Grand Total[/float]: The Caldera Cone with 10-12 stove is
50g/1.75 oz
Note: The above weights are actual weights. The weight of a particular cone may vary depending on what type of pot it is designed for, the type of cone, and the material from which the cone is made (Ti or Al).
The Clikstand with Trangia burner is approximately five times heavier than the Caldera Cone with 10-12 stove.
HJ