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Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby maverick » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:00 pm

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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby rlown » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:20 pm

a firm believer now in long sleeves, pants and a hat. done the burn thing with shorts and a short sleeve shirt. not fun. And snow reflection only makes most of that worse.

Can't worry about it too much, because, well, I like being up there. I like bullfrog, but that's not an endorsement.

According to "the doctors", you only need 5 mins to get your vitamin D that you need for a day. But, you also need other vitamins to process that correctly..

Just cover up..
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby maverick » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:50 pm

Going to drop sun screen after the special that was on TV a few days back, until
there is some over site.
Been wearing hat, bandanna, long pants, and thin gloves(sometimes) already, so need
something for my face, which I can breathe through easily.
Also going to try to see if there has been any studies published for example comparing
Northern African countries where folks completely cover up in the desert, compared
to westerners who use sunscreen for protection against sunburns and cancer, some how
think the folks of Northern Africa have things right.
By the way Australia is supposed to have the highest rates of skin cancer in the world.
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby rlown » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:01 pm

ok.. so let's not panic. I slather my face with sunscreen.. I refuse to breath through a bandana, unless Vogelsang erupts :) . Sunscreen won't save you from everything, but we're here to do what we do, as long as we are able. If skin cancer worries you, you won't go above 9k.

Um.. on the African thing.. different genetics and evolution.
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby maverick » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:26 am

Not panicking, just peeved that we have been given misleading/erroneous information
about the protection value of sun screens, the amount that has to be applied, and the
waterproofness of these products, which has lead to a major increase of skin cancer over
the years.
How many backpackers, hikers who visit higher elevations have/will suffer because of this
no to mention all the sun worshipers and beach goers.
According to the new info, we are supposed to apply a golf ball amount every 2 hours to
get some protection, also there is no such thing as waterproof or sweat proof sun screen.
Plus some of the chemicals/minerals in sun screen's are not good for you either.
These findings have been reported years ago in Europe, yet the FDA is just now starting
to take some action, and only now will (starting next year)require companies to put labels
warning consumers whether there product protects against uva and uvb rays or not.
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/Consume ... 258416.htm
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby Shawn » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:03 pm

apply a golf ball amount every 2 hours
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby maverick » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:38 pm

Yeah, it surprised me too Shawn.
Usually only need to put sun screen on my hands, face, and neck since everything else
stays covered up, but I never put on a lot, and do not reapplying every 2 hours.
I lost my sun screen on the way up to Vee Lake last year, and had to use my bandanna
over my face which worked okay, but I want to find an easier/convenient solution if
possible.
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby Shawn » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:49 pm

Yeah, I usually apply a spray variety of Banana Boat to my arms, face and neck. If I'm under the sun for any length of time, then I also cover my neck with a bandanna or 'Buff and wear a hat'. Here I thought I was good with the sun because I do burn easily and if I get back to the trail head without looking too red I thought I had done okay.

Some years back I was ascending the Copper Creek trail en-route to Granite Lake one day. As I got to upper Tent Meadow I plopped down in the shade of a tree for an unplanned siesta. Some amount of time later I woke up to the worst sunburn on my legs because the sun had shifted (as in "duh"). I've only worn long hiking pants ever since (I still catch the siesta's once in a while though).
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby Mike McGuire » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:08 pm

Shawn wrote:
apply a golf ball amount every 2 hours
:eek:


To this I would say "bullfeathers!" I have red hair and very fair skin and if reasonable amounts of sun screen didn't work for a good deal longer that 2 hours, I would be the first to know about it. That being said, I do favor long pants, long sleeves and hats that protect neck and ears.

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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby quentinc » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:12 pm

I've always been suspicious of the sunscreen industry. I'd be curious to see the "research" dollars that they lavish on the dermatologists who are their prophets and missionaries.

I know I'll get my share of howls for this, but I think the best advice is to build up a base tan. I never apply sunscreen to my arms or legs, even at 14,000 feet, and I don't burn at all. I do put some on my face and neck, because I'm on the pasty side. But I don't have any confidence the sunscreen is really protecting me from cancer.
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby Snow Nymph » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:54 pm

I wear long pants and cycling sleeves. Some days its just too hot to wear long sleeves so I use sunscreen. I've got dark skin anyway, but I've got a lot of spots showing up the last 5 years. I had a cancer scare in 06, so trying to stay covered up. Last week I got a bad sunburn from the snow reflecting under my wide brim hat. :-( First burn in a few years.
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Re: Do you think you knew about sun screen?

Postby DAVELA » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:11 pm

I agree the people of africa,asia minor,india wear loose and copious clothing.Ive been trying to figure out a way of incorporating this for mtn hiking.I have a very wide brim hat-I chose the hat with widest brim at REI, not for looks-it is a womans hat since all the brims on mens hats are much smaller(vanity?). Im trying to figure out how to make a breathable bandana-maybe a silk scarf that doesnt blast my exhaust back in my face.Probably a special way of overlap wrapping over nose and mouth will solve this?Does anybody have a silk source in LA?thx

Im suspicious of what toxins are in sunscreen so i have wondered wouldnt it be better to just apply a thick coat of dirt/mud to the skin.Much less harmful and free and abundant.Also saves pack weight!
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