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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby longri » Tue May 19, 2015 9:36 am

Jimr wrote:I gave up on the MSR whisperlite gas stove and went to canister this year.

What took you so long?

Jimr wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoors-Camping-Hiking-Picnic-Portable-Stainless-Steel-Gas-Stove-Burner-FKS/221773016930?rt=nc&_soffid=5005857206&_soffType=OrderSubTotalOffer&_trksid=p5731.m3795

It's fun to see that stove. I bought one (marketed under a different brand and with a different valve knob) 15 years ago in Chile. It's a nice solid stove and I like it, but it has a big metal plate under the burner and it weighs a ton. It does car camping duty for me nowadays.

You can try and impress your friends by learning to flip open or close all four of the pot holder arms with one quick flip. :-)



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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby ERIC » Tue May 19, 2015 12:25 pm

What's the weight on that Ebay fry pan burner?
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby Jimr » Tue May 19, 2015 12:51 pm

longri wrote:
Jimr wrote:I gave up on the MSR whisperlite gas stove and went to canister this year.

What took you so long?


You could ask that for all my gear. I replaced everything I had (circa 1980) this year, so I'm having to feel out a whole new kit.

Eric, I don't know the actual weight, but it has to be less than 2 pocket rockets.
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby FeetFirst » Wed May 20, 2015 11:52 am

markskor wrote:Remote canister stoves - you have the ability to invert the canister...(much like a paint can where you turn it upside down to clean the nozzle - but here the exact opposite), the stove canister has the most volatile/lightest gas at the top...first gas to escape. At lower ambient temps, rendering low pressure when canister approaches 1/2 empty. By inverting, this forces the heavier gas out first - no drop in pressure.


Most remote canister stoves can operate with an inverted fuel canister, especially helpful for cold temps, but not all. For example, the Olicamp Xcelerator Ultra Titanium cannot be used with an inverted canister because it eschews the necessary preheat tube to save a couple of ounces. If you don't need cold weather performance then it's a great stove that has very good stability and wind shedding capabilities at only 3.5 ounces.

I bought one to use on trips with my son to make it easier and safer for him to join in on cooking duties. Coupled with an 8" frying pan things like quesadillas, pancakes, fried trout, etc. are easy to do on the trail.

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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby Snowtrout » Wed May 20, 2015 2:31 pm

I just bought that exact stove. 2oz lighter than my previous stove, more supportive for my MSR 2l pot, seems to be better against wind and no more worries about burning off the hair on my hand (when adjusting the flame control). Testing it out fully this weekend. And as previously stated, you cannot invert the canister on this stove.
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby gabe&mel » Fri May 22, 2015 12:17 pm

markskor wrote:[/one of the many reasons to choose a remote canister over pocket rocket type stoves. Yes a few oz heavier (BTW, my Windpro a little over 7 oz as compared to 3 oz for a pocket rocket). Also better in stability issues, able to use a windscreen, wider flame pattern, etc.

If just boiling water - meh, if cooking for real though...go remote/inverted


We just picked up an MSR Windpro 2 up and an 9 inch MSR flex skillet and have been testing it out camping in Washington and in British Columbia. I'm quite impressed as you can actually cook with it, we have been enjoying toast and quesadillas all without burning the bottom of our pots. I did do some fishing but nothing large enough to wrap in foil... Well not yet. . For me I've determined it to be a weight worthy justification over the pocket rocket for just a few more ounces it really opens up the culinary opportunities. We are gonna be out on the JMT going out over Bishop Pass sometime the first week of June to put it to good use.


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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby gabe&mel » Fri May 22, 2015 1:30 pm

oldranger wrote:As I recall, but I could be mistaken, if you use the canister inverted thru its entire capacity the stove will consume fuel faster. But it sure burns better inverted when cold or when the fuel is nearly gone, so when nearly empty inverting can extend the useful life of the canister.

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Mike, based on my eyeball test I found this to be true. I first had upright canister on a low simmer then I proceeded to invert the canister and noticed a big upswing in the stove output at same setting. I also found that the lowest heat/flame output (ie simmer mode) with inverted canister is greater/hotter than the upright canister mode. Now in terms of how great a difference in cooking time idk.


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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby longri » Fri May 22, 2015 1:32 pm

Jimr wrote:Eric, I don't know the actual weight, but it has to be less than 2 pocket rockets.

Well that doesn't sound like my stove.
A Pocket Rocket weighs 85g. My stove (below) weighs 351g.

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It looks a lot like it though. Here's the ebay stove:

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By the way, the reason my stove is so rusty is that I've poured water over it multiple times to cool it down so I could put it away faster. That big metal plate under the burner has quite a lot of thermal mass. It's a great stove when weight isn't an issue.

I now have a 25g canister stove that is just so fun to use. It's small and not terribly durable but three of them weighs less than a Pocket Rocket.
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby Jimr » Fri May 22, 2015 2:10 pm

Yes, the stove I have is about 1.5 pocket rockets in weight.
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