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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby markskor » Sat May 16, 2015 10:42 pm

Adrn wrote: Is a Ti spork/set not necessary or will my LMF plastic sporks or guyot designs 5 in 1 utensils just melt if I cook with them?? As for bringing something to store it in to prevent smells, what do you use or recommend? Also being new to this, I'm going off a lot of standard info I have read up on. I noticed one of your tents really close to your "kitchen". No concern of bears etc??
Thanks again for any and all advice.
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Over the years, have decided that there are two kitchen utensils that are really important, BTW, you do not need anything that comes in a "set". 1) A long-handled Ti spoon/or spork - will not ever melt or snap, turns over trout easily, stirs pasta, and can easily get to the bottom of all boil-n-bag meals without getting food on your hand...and 2) a small SAK - the one with scissors and a short blade knife...(here shown in fishing mode - tied to my hemostats?)

BTW, another look at the kitchen picture - I see 2 pot "scrubbies" also evident there - one metal and the other yellow plastic. Also there's a hot pad visible too...also a bic lighter. (Insert something here about assembling your own kit...everything having a regular assigned place to live.)
RE the small nalgene for oil...now 1 oz individual olive oil packets are available - better. Notice the pot holding snow/ice for 151 daiquiris? Notice the garlic skins? Just some hints as to what works... for me.

BTW, All you need for safe frypan storage is a 1 gal, zip-lock baggie. After cooking over a fire, the pot bottom gets coated with black, oily soot. A big baggie prevents the dirt from messing/smelling up the inside of the backpack.

About my tent being close to the kitchen...bears have a great sense of smell. They know where you are camped, and where the food is. Best strategy - carry a bearcan (also seen in kitchen picture), and relax.
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby freestone » Sun May 17, 2015 6:27 am

BTW, alcohol stoves are pretty much useless up high for cooking fish - (just not enough heat to cook chunky, fat trout) when higher up Sierra.


I have had that problem with canisters at altitude, especially when less than half full, but never with alcohol.
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby gabe&mel » Sun May 17, 2015 9:07 am

markskor wrote:
Adrn wrote:
RE the small nalgene for oil...now 1 oz individual olive oil packets are available - better.


I really like those little olive oil packets. I use this site http://www.minimus.biz to pick up all the little items that are hard to find or repackage.

Great stuff here.


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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby markskor » Sun May 17, 2015 10:15 am

freestone wrote:
BTW, alcohol stoves are pretty much useless up high for cooking fish - (just not enough heat to cook chunky, fat trout) when higher up Sierra.


I have had that problem with canisters at altitude, especially when less than half full, but never with alcohol.

Remote canister stoves - you have the ability to invert the canister...(much like a paint can where you turn it upside down to clean the nozzle - but here the exact opposite), the stove canister has the most volatile/lightest gas at the top...first gas to escape. At lower ambient temps, rendering low pressure when canister approaches 1/2 empty. By inverting, this forces the heavier gas out first - no drop in pressure.
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Cook Kit Options

Postby gabe&mel » Sun May 17, 2015 10:23 am

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Remote canister stoves - you have the ability to invert the canister...(much like a paint can where you turn it upside down to clean the nozzle - but here the exact opposite), the stove canister has the most volatile/lightest gas at the top...first gas to escape. At lower ambient temps, rendering low pressure when canister approaches 1/2 empty. By inverting, this forces the heavier gas out first - no drop in pressure.[/quote]

Does inverting the canister cause any change in fuel efficiency (more fuel used per burn) enough that on a longer trip 7+ days you would consider bringing a larger/2nd canister?


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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby markskor » Sun May 17, 2015 10:46 am

gabe&mel wrote:
Does inverting the canister cause any change in fuel efficiency (more fuel used per burn) enough that on a longer trip 7+ days you would consider bringing a larger/2nd canister?

Inverted - creates equal pressure through the entire life of the canister (allowing for temp and altitude issues too of course.)
Thus inverting extends the canister's useful life - one of the many reasons to choose a remote canister over pocket rocket type stoves. Yes a few oz heavier (BTW, my Windpro a little over 7 oz as compared to 3 oz for a pocket rocket). Also better in stability issues, able to use a windscreen, wider flame pattern, etc.

If just boiling water - meh, if cooking for real though...go remote/ inverted.

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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby oldranger » Sun May 17, 2015 12:41 pm

As I recall, but I could be mistaken, if you use the canister inverted thru its entire capacity the stove will consume fuel faster. But it sure burns better inverted when cold or when the fuel is nearly gone, so when nearly empty inverting can extend the useful life of the canister.

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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby Adrn » Mon May 18, 2015 2:08 pm

Thanks a bunch @markskor, rlown, rye_tyler, oldranger, gabe&mel, freestone, Snowtrout for all the great advice and personal experience that, to a newb like me, is priceless. I do appreciate all the ideas you have provided/planted in my brain. This gets me to a yes on the fry pan for sure.
Ti utensil and a stove in addition to my primus micro are also now on the list. Sounds like the reward outweighs the added weight(fuel bottle). Will now be looking for these items in a way that keeps me off the couch if you know what I mean.
That minimus site is awesome and gives me ideas as well such as: trying out some of those McD's french fry flavor packets on some fish or chopped veggies(garlic parmesan trout??), saving items such as extra Italian salad dressing packets instead of tossing them. I'm sure the list could go on and on.

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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby Rye_Tyler » Mon May 18, 2015 3:24 pm

Mark may have started a run on Ti frypans..
Evernew makes a couple different ti sizes all from 4.2 to 5.5 ounces. 43.00 to 55.00 at campsaver.com
Msr has their aluminum quick skillet 7.75" 5.9 oz 19.95 and Flex skillet 5.6 oz 23.95 on backcountry.com

I really need to be in the mountains instead of looking at gear..
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby oldranger » Mon May 18, 2015 5:17 pm

Rye

I couldn't find a titanium skillet on the site that was larger than 8" which won't do for the size of fish I eat, even with heads and tails cut off. I guess that is why I have markskor along with me most of the time.

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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby markskor » Tue May 19, 2015 8:02 am

If I had known that the only reason that the OldRanger keeps inviting me along was because of my "uncoated", big 10 inch, pure, Titanium frypan, would probably have disposed of it long ago...Saving me those past years of grief. This year, he has invited the frypan along again, this time his plan is to be spot-packed into the Sawtooths of Idaho for 16 days - one-man raft fishing for big cuts. Sigh...but since he has already bought the maps anyway, decided, might as well just tag along... once again...humor him some. Always respect your elders. :rolleyes:

BTW, also viewed those Evernew Ti fry pans and concur - nice, but just a little too small even with trout heads and tails removed. Maybe some manufacturer will someday figure it out...specifically a large, light, Ti frypan - designed for cooking up foil-wrapped fish...not necessarily intended for direct frying.

Just to add, light, thin-walled Titanium transfers heat well but gets hot spots - not at its best when used for frying per se, thus a wide-flame-pattern stove extremely necessary. Additionally, always suspicious/wary of non stick anything...for clumsy me, usually burns or scratches first meal out.
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Re: Cook Kit Options

Postby Jimr » Tue May 19, 2015 9:06 am

I'm using the same 10" aluminum Teflon coated fry pan I've had for 30 years. I stow it in my mosquito head net to keep it from being scratched by the stove. I gave up on the MSR whisperlite gas stove and went to canister this year. I picked up a pocket rocket knockoff for merely boiling water and this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Outdoors-Campin ... 5731.m3795

for frying pan work. We'll see how it works out next week.
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