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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby schmalz » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:24 pm

I would definitely be purchasing one for use in specific areas where I'm not worried about bears. This is good news.

Are they already legal in Inyo NF? I haven't been keeping track.



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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby overheadx2 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:42 pm

With the ursack, it states you need to tie it off to something. Why not simply bear bag it and chase off bears if they come around instead of laying it out there for them to gnaw on. If I can get away with bear bagging again an ursack, I would definitely go that way instead of a canister.
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby rlown » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:13 am

tie it off? give the bear leverage? Agree with your comment on bear bagging it if you go Ursack.

You have to tie it off because it's a soft case and the bear will carry it away, until it figures out to just gnaw the rope. Good luck.
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby oldranger » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:27 pm

If you are going to hang it why bother with an Ursack?
Either it works or it doesn't. A sylnylon bag of same size weighs about an ounce.

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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby overheadx2 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:04 pm

I was just wondering why they aren't hung like a conventional bag, but left tied to something kind of like bear bait. When I looked at the website it struck me as odd and I thought that there may have been a reason I wasn't aware of.
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby oldranger » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:56 pm

Unlike most canisters the knotted portion of the Ursack is easy to grab with the bear's teeth and could be rapidly transported a long distance and become lost to the owner if/when abandoned by the bear.
Therefore the recommendation that it be tied to a secure object. So the tests in an enclosure do not reflect some real life issues with the Ursack, and because there are knots involved the odds of user error are pretty high.

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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby maverick » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:27 pm

Would only use mine for the overflow of my vittles on a longer trip, which my canister
was not large enough. Above treeline it goes into a deep cracks with a fishing line
attached to retrieve it. Would not use it as my primary food container, even if the bear
doesn't rip it open, it will crush everything inside, and its saliva will wet it thoroughly, and
that is quite disgusting. Know of someone who this has happened to in the 1000 Is Lakes
area, who wants to carry that around in their backpack for the rest of their trip.
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby longri » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:35 pm

maverick wrote:...who wants to carry that around in their backpack for the rest of their trip.


It would be a great conversation starter!
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby fishmonger » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:58 am

I bring my Bearikade because I need a chair out there. That it doubles as an approved bear canister is a bonus.
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby longri » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:52 am

fishmonger wrote:I bring my Bearikade because I need a chair out there. That it doubles as an approved bear canister is a bonus.


It's a good thing you don't need a sofa, too.
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby Hobbes » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:25 pm

I just ordered the Ursack S29 Allwhite directly from their web site.

I can go 4+ days with my BV solo, but it's a stretch if my 15 yo son comes along. Last year, we did a 2 night trip from Cottonwood to Portal, which required moving around 13 miles/day, but we got by ok with the solo. This year, he's expressed interest in doing Whitney from Onion, which I've mapped out for 3 nights at an avg once again of 13 miles/day.

Still, since it's 3 nights, we will blow past the total capacity of the solo, so I needed to get something as a supplement/overfill (I was not going to get the larger BV). I toyed with the idea of the BeariKade, but the recent tests with the Ursack decided me in that direction.

We are going to be doing this hike in late June, so I will have a chance to use both. In fact, after the first full day/night, we should be able to get everything in the BV, so it will allow me to mess around with small items in the US to see how it works out.

Depending on how well I like it, and of course, how easy & effective it turns out, I may use the Ursack exclusively for the HST meetup. The thought of losing 1.5lbs + bulk is pretty darn attractive. My route is going through Rock Crk/Miter basin, where SEKI specifically bans the Ursack, but I'm planning on traveling from below NAP (in Inyo FS) over Crabtree and down the watershed in one day.

While it's still Sequoia NP throughout the hike (until exiting over Shepherd), unless they specifically ban the US like the 3 other regions (Rock, Dusy & Rae), I'm planning on using it exclusively for the meetup trip.
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Re: Ursack Passes IGBC Test

Postby oldranger » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:00 pm

Don't believe Ursack approved for anyplace in SEKI except where counterbalancing is acceptable. Then it must be counterbalanced to be legal.

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