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Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby larree0 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:22 am

OK, the cast is off, time to plan! I've Searched HST and we're looking at Crabtree to Wire Lakes, a few days after Labor day. (Thanks for maintaining a spectacularly well-done site!!)
One HST Expert mentioned heavy horse use at Grouse lk, does the Camp lake-Deer lk trail
and Gem, Jewelry, Deer and Wire lakes also get heavy use?
My Topo! Build Profile seems to show quite a bit more total vertical out of Gannelli compared to Crabtree, is that accurate?
Our style is to set up a base camp and day hike from there, which means that we'll be XC to Wire lakes with full packs, one TR turned N. past Jewelry lk, is any scrambling (using your hands ) needed for that? (Peggy's not too keen on that level.)
And last, which lake(s) are likely to have fewest people after labor day?

Thanks in advance for any/all advice
btw, fishing's not too important, do enough in Oregon.



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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby rlown » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:40 am

larree0 wrote:My Topo! Build Profile seems to show quite a bit more total vertical out of Gannelli compared to Crabtree, is that accurate?


I liked going in via Gianelli. The vertical is just burst rock and that's not that hard. we went out through crabtree. That felt like a better plan to me in '83. I'd still stick with it today if i knew there were fish in the wires.

Glad the cast is off.


This is what i get from my route to the wires from Gianelli in terms of elevation changes over 8.3 miles (Garmin Mapsource):

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Pretty normal fluctuations for a sierra hike. Whitesides meadow was a slog back then, as in August it was still covered in snow. Probably not this year.
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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby paul » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:54 am

A few general Emigrant observations for you:
Gianelli sees far fewer horses than Crabtree does, and you have more views coming in that way.
I'm not sure about the total vertical but I'd be willing to bet that it's an easier and more pleasant day getting to Wire lakes from Gianelli than from Crabtree. It's all on trail and generally a little cooler and breezier on the ridge than down in the valley where the trail from Crabtree is, plus the views.

After Labor day you won't find a lot of people anywhere Is my guess, and the usual simple rule is to get off the trail a little and you'll have the place mostly to yourself.

I'm guessing your dayhiking will include Granite Dome - it should, the views are great - and I'd go by way of Pinto Lakes. Very nice spot, especially the upper lake.
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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby oleander » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:13 pm

I think the route from Gianelli is a little nicer, view-wise. After the initial climb, everything else felt easy and "rolling" to me. There are plenty of lakes from which to set up a base camp.

After Labor Day, especially in this low-water year, it is going to be VERY dry. That is a shame, as one of the draws of this area is the charming meadows. I think of it is an early-season trip - for what it's worth.

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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby The hermit » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:14 pm

My 2 cents. Crabtree to gem was beautiful but very,very hot and dry last july. Get water at lakes. We were forced to get water at paiute creek which was barely a trickle. I would not go without a filter. A great trip but I would not go later than july. Higher and farther in is probably much better.
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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby maverick » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:37 pm

Another vote for the Gianelli route for the same reasons others have inidcated.
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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby balzaccom » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:28 am

I think it's a question of views vs. ease of entry. Once you get to the top of Burst Rock, Gianelli is an easier hike. But the views as you work your way across the ridges of Crabtree to Camp Lake, Gem Lake, and Deer Lake are pretty spectacular. And Whitesides Meadow can be a bit of slog...

Either way, you'll have a great hike. YOu might hike in one way, and out the other, as there is a use trail linking Wire Lakes with Deer Lake...or continue down past Bucks Lakes to Wood Lake..and then out via the Cherry Creek to Grouse Lake trail.

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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby SSSdave » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:41 am

If you are indeed going in late season as you noted, use the Crabtree Trailhead because water sources along that route will be reliable. Although the Burst Rock Trailhead is better early to mid season, in this drought year once all those meadows brown and seasonal streams dry up, there will only be a few small lakes one will need to go out of the way to reach any water.
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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby paul » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:33 pm

I agree on the dry conditions, unless we see a rainy summer. Last summer in mid-july in same area, saw basically no running creeks. The snowpack in that area is better than last year at this time, but by September you should expect no running water anywhere - just lakes.
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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby larree0 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:21 am

You all are great, I"d guess yo've shared literally hundreds of days worth of Sierra intel in 36 hours.
thanks so much

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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby larree0 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:22 am

ok, next time I'll hit the 'preview' button first!
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Re: Emigrant. Crabtree- Wire Lakes Planning

Postby DoyleWDonehoo » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:38 am

These last few years I have been breaking in a friend and noob backpacker who after a lifetime of knowing him, begged me to take him on some trips. I have been concentrating on the easier things (we have yet to travel in the hardcore backpacker paradise that is the SEKI area), and I have been saving a lot of the Emigrant Wilderness for my "old age". My friend has good endurance but is painfully slow, but improving every trip as he learns that he can't take a picture of every rock and tree he sees. It is a lesson in patience. But I think the Emigrant would be a great wilderness experience for him, so I have planned a 7 day or so trip that would cover some few areas that I have not been to. So I wrote a thesis with maps so he would know what he was getting into, his longest trip yet. In my analysis I learned a few things.
For what we want to do and where we want to go in our Grand Tour of the EW, the Gianelli Cabin trail-head is by far the easiest entry point. It is only 2 miles to the first camp at Powell Lake, and I have hiked this section of trail by night as well as day. The TH is the highest of the area at about 8600 feet, and the whole trip I am planning out as far as Maxwell Lake averages about 8600 feet, only occasionally going slightly above 9000 feet and below 8000 feet. (The same is true for a trip to Wire Lakes.) There is a climb to Burst (birth) Rock from Gianelli Cabin, but it is at the beginning of the hike when you are fresh, gains altitude quickly and over with fairly quickly. From Burst Rock, the rest of the way to almost anywhere else is pretty easy. The only real butt-burner is a long long hill that seems to go on forever just after the Chewing Gum Lake trail junction: It is one of the few places along the route to Long/Wire Lake that goes over 9000 feet. But it has wide open views featuring Three Chimneys to the north, and the climb is only about 400 feet in gain.
If you wish to avoid the level walking to Whiteside Meadow and are heading for the Toe-Jam Lake ridge, at the Y-Meadow Dam junction you can go easy cross-country SE through open forest, dry meadows with a winding seasonal stream. With good route-finding, the climb up to the Toe-Jam Lake ridge is easy. You can also use this route to hit the Toe-Jam trail (and XC to the main trail). If you can work a map and compass, no worries. Beyond Toe-Jam, the hiking couldn't be easier until you get into the area of the big lakes, and even then it is still averaging about 8600 feet on the trail.
Crabtree Trailhead I think is best for exploring the southern EW, like the Big Lake area.
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