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Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby millertime » Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:48 pm

I'm planning a trip for late August starting at Piute Pass and looping through Bear Lakes Basin like so.
http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=2994957

My friend is planning on bringing his dog, (the nicest BullBoxer on the planet) which has easily accomplished the pass behind Mt Price in between Island Lake and Lyons Lake in the Crystal Range. What I'm wondering is what to expect on Carol Col and Feather Pass with a dog. I've seen the pictures in the Cross Country Passes section of both as well as the descriptions and it seems like it shouldn't be an issue as long as the proper path is taken, but has anyone here traversed either with a dog?



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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby rlown » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:50 pm

A dog can do Carol Col.. I don't have any idea about Feather Pass. I'd still be prepared to carry the dog if it freaks on a few steps.
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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby jfelectron » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:58 pm

Hmm... The standard approach at the southern base of feather goes up a notch in the head wall. This is serious class 3 requiring hands and feet. Once you get above that tricky 30 ft section then it's just a scree field to the top. North side is a standard talus field.

Another approach would be to aim higher to the south as if approaching royce pass and then cut north toward feather once you are past the head wall.




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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby ndwoods » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:14 pm

If Feather Pass isn't doable you can backtrack and go over Italy Pass...would add a few miles.
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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby cgundersen » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:18 am

millertime,
We took our dog over Carol at least twice, and had trained him early on to jump into my arms where needed. I recall at least a couple spots on Carol where that was necessary. His only time over Feather was in pretty heavy snow, so I remember no problems with that, because he loved snow. Even so, on my last time over Feather (4 or 5 years ago), I don't recall anything that would be an insurmnountable obstacle for a dog that was reasonably experienced. And, Carol Col is great experience to prepare for Feather........
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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby millertime » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:38 am

Thanks for the input everyone. Sounds like it can be done, and worst case he would have to carry the dog up a few short sections on Feather Pass which he would be able to do. Going to plan on sticking to this route, and there will be pictures haha.
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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby maverick » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:00 pm

Do not have a dog, but if your dog can do Carol than Feather will be no problem
either. It sounds like you have the pooch pretty well trained so it should not be a
problem.
By the way Feather Pass is a class 2, the only class 3 that comes to mind in
in this area is Merriam, which quite steep, and some nasty loose rock.
Here is Calipidder TR and photo's of the pass: http://www.calipidder.com/wp/2010/10/be ... oop-day-5/
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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby jfelectron » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:29 pm

A better shot of the notch in the headwall is here:

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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby millertime » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:41 pm

That is what I've concluded with maverick. I used Calipidder's TR as well as this one on NWHikers http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopi ... 516#418516
and this one, which is where I got the idea for the route, otherwise I would have just started at Pine Creek again... http://trekkingtheworld.com/bear_basin_loop.htm

Looks like a blast to me. While I have most of the topo maps of the high sierra memorized from reading countless trip reports and studying the maps, it will be my first time staying 3+ nights, and the deepest I've made it into the sierra. Furthest I've made it so far is Granite Park and Big McGee Lake (had to turn around both times) and then Ediza and Thousand Islands Lake on day hikes. Flying home from Oklahoma to do this so I sure hope the weather is good late August.
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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby maverick » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:10 pm

Millertime wrote:
it will be my first time staying 3+ nights, and the deepest I've made it into the sierra.
Furthest I've made it so far is Granite Park and Big McGee Lake (had to turn around
both times) and then Ediza and Thousand Islands Lake on day hikes. Flying home from
Oklahoma to do this so I sure hope the weather is good late August.


What :eek: , let me take back everything I said. Please check out: http://www.highsierratopix.com/communit ... f=1&t=4205
Had turned around both times? Why? If this is all the experience you have, than it is not
the dog I would be worried about. Is you friend experienced in crosscountry travel in
the Sierra?
Even if he is, and you are in great physical condition, you have four class 2 passes to
climb in 6 days, and I would seriously question his judgement!
Do not want to sound harsh but this is a little scary :( , and would highly recommend
you think about something less involved, at least until you get some experience under
your belt!
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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby rlown » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:24 pm

Per Mav's post and your comment on pulling out early. You might reconsider what you're trying to accomplish.. The Dog is not your problem, but will complicate an otherwise bad situation. If you're not comfortable with 5 days off trail in the Sierra, you already have a problem. Rethink your trip based on your true capabilities.

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Re: Carol Col and Feather Pass question

Postby millertime » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:24 pm

Hmm understand and heeding your concern. I'll explain myself a little better here.

One of the times we turned around was because his knee became infected the second morning of the trip, from a small scrape he got a week prior. The other time we had to turn around was because of a heavy swarm in McGee Canyon that we were not at all prepared for, and even if we were I dont see how it would have been enjoyable, people who were prepared and had nets were heading back down after 1 night.

I am in good shape, great cardio, and my friend is in excellent shape, probably the top % of people.

We have tackled multiple class 2 ascents, including Horsetail Falls -> Pyramid Peak via its east face couloir which according to summit post is class 2-3 which was nothing to scoff at, but I could have done more.
http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=2629758
http://www.summitpost.org/horsetail-fal ... oir/157482

Also I mentioned this in my OP, Island Lake > Lake Sylva via Mt Price which if you haven't done is cross-country and considered class 2 for a short section on the .
http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=1062311

I have also done numerous class 2 climbs in the Trinity Alps and class 2 day-hikes around Tahoe; which I know is by no means "high sierra" but I guess I felt like I had enough experience to take this on.

While they should be taken seriously, Italy and Dancing Bear passes don't seem like too big of a challenge but I see what you mean in that all 4 add up. I also have a hard time believing that we would have any trouble with Carol. From what I have seen in pictures and read in descriptions of the passes it doesn't seem to be above what we can do, but seeing and reading about something is different than actually doing it. From what I've explained here what do you guys think? Am I over ambitious? I sure don't feel like it! I could go back to my original plan in attempting it from Pine Creek, see how I feel once I'm in Bear Lakes Basin and then I have a much shorter route back if we don't want to attempt Feather. And if we did have the energy we could make it a partial loop, crossing Feather and taking French Canyon back up to Pine Creek Pass.
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