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Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby mbear » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:47 pm

Is one allowed to resupply his food in Mammoth Lakes without breaking his wilderness permit, or am I out of luck when I see a ranger when entering Agnew Meadows from town after resupplying with food if I haven't gotten a new permit for that day? Arrrggghhh... Yosemite made me get a new permit just to resupply in Tuolumne Meadows even though my inbound and outbound trails go right through it. Is the Ansel Adams Wilderness as strict?



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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby 87TT » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:55 pm

I have never hiked in the park but on the outside, I have never been even asked for a permit. The parks have way too many anal people working there.
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby rlown » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:58 pm

your permit is good for the time alloted regardless. Yose is kind of strict.
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby mbear » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:26 pm

I was a bit worried since I figured the Shadow Lake pass to the JMT from AM is in pretty high demand. No prob even if the permit doesn't originate in the Inyo NF, as long as it covers all the days? It would originate in Yosemite: the Mono/Parker Pass permit, which forces you to camp in the Inyo NF until you can loop around and come up another trail into the park. I'd be coming into the Ansel Adams Wilderness from the Parker Pass trail, with a few days exploring some of the peaks around Parker Pass area, then a food reup, a few more day around the Ritter area, then exiting to Yosemite via Donahue. I'd prefer skipping the fee from the Red's Meadow pickup since I can do the food reup in Mammoth just for postage if at all possible.
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby tim » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:05 am

You are allowed to exit the wilderness for up to 24 hours so long as you reenter at the same place:
http://www.recreation.gov/marketing.do? ... l&backLink

So you can go out to Mammoth to resupply, even spend one night there if you are so inclined, so long as you go back to Agnew Meadows the next day and the permit covers the duration of your entire itinerary.

I'm surprised that Yosemite are being so picky - I guess they are more concerned about people trying to bend the rules because so many trails are hard to get a permit for.
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby mbear » Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:43 am

Thanks, tim; glad to see the actual policy in writing.
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Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby bheiser1 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:03 am

I must be missing something. Why was mbear required to get a new permit to resupply in Tuolomne Meadows?
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby maverick » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:32 pm

Bheiser1 wrote:
I must be missing something. Why was mbear required to get a new permit to resupply
in Tuolomne Meadows?


The only twisted reasoning could be that if you leave the trail, then come back
to use the same trailhead to re-enter but the quota's are already filled for that
trailhead than Yosemite NPS may not allow you to re-enter using that specific
trailhead, which doesn't make a lot of sense in the OP's case since he was all ready
in tranist using the trail.
Cannot find anything addressing this isssue in the posted
regs: http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wildpermits.htm
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby mbear » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:48 am

They told me it was exiting wilderness to go to the post office in TM, and that they make an exception only for JMT and PCT through-hikers when I brought up that it's a popular resupply point. Strangely enough the original permit I had (before I decided I wanted more time in the Ritter area) involved resupplying at TM twice and crossing Tioga Pass Road. I went over a proposed itinerary in extreme detail with the wilderness office for that permit and was assured it was legal.
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby AlmostThere » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:36 am

Crossing the road is legal - walking down it for any length of time is exiting the wilderness.

Yosemite is like that, yes.
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby mbear » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:00 pm

I guess no sweat since Young's didn't prove too tough of a permit to get and since the resupply sounds like it would have been allowed had I continued down the JMT to Cathedral instead or up the PCT to Glen Aulin. Would have preferred not to stay in the frontcountry one night waiting for my Youngs permit to start, but at least that makes my day to Youngs easier and gives me some time to not have to rush through Lyell Canyon on the way in. Just hope the TM grill is open to a reasonable hour (forgot when they close; 5:00 PM?) for that day coming into TM and staying there in between permits.
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Re: Is leaving Agnew Meadows to Resupply at Mammoth Lakes allowe

Postby maverick » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:32 pm

Mbear wrote:
Just hope the TM grill is open to a reasonable hour (forgot when they close; 5:00 PM?)
for that day coming into TM and staying there in between permits.


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