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Dog on Langley

Postby ulu » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:31 pm

I'm planning a 3 day cottonwood trip with the wife and dog, and I'm wondering if I can get all 3 of us to the top via New Army.



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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby whrdafamI? » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:05 pm

As long as it isn't National Park then the dog is O.K. I have taken a dog into King's but I don't recommend it. The fine is pretty steep and applies to EVERY day you are in violation. As far as you and your wife that will be dependent on your condition.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby maverick » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:40 pm

Hi Ulu,

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You would have to go up either the Eastern or Southeastern Slope route, both are class 2
with talus, especially the Southeastern route, because dogs are not allowed in SEKI.
Would not put your dog through that unless you have done crosscountry routes at
elevation (Langley is 14027ft) before.
Dogs also can suffer from altitude sickness which is something to consider too.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby SPeacock » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:21 pm

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I'd caution against it. Its your bragging rights. Not the dog's. It won't know if it has been up Langley or not.

You will have to stay east of the Tulare County line. Going up OLD Army Pass from Lake 5 would give you more breathing room in The trail is not on the map and has not been maintained in close to 50 years. Best to go with somebody who knows where most of the parts of it are - the first time. But it is about an hour shorter and a few hundred feet lower than NEW Army.

The last 300 feet or so would be a pooch carry - or at least a lot of lifting - to get over the granite blocks that you will have to climb over and around. Same coming down. It is an adventure for those without a dog. Hope Fido's feet are in very good shape, especially the pads.

A better first 14r would be White Mountain east of Big Pine. Don't know about pooch controls tho.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby cloudlesssky » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:35 pm

The sign at the top of OAP says "Bighorn sheep habitat. Pets, weapons and wheeled vehicles are prohibited". Despite this, last year I saw several dogs (with owners) at about 13k' where the trail from NAP/OAP disappears into the boulder field on the shoulder of Mt. Langley. None of the dogs looked very perky and I didn't see any of them on the summit or later descent.
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Sign at top of OAP


In general the OAP trail is in good shape and readily followed. Last weekend (6/16/12) there was a short snow field (50'?) near the top of OAP that required a short climb and traverse. A slip in that spot wouldn't end well, but is easily avoided by a human. Maybe more difficult for a dog.
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Short snow field near OAP summit
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby ulu » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:37 am

I'm an experienced mountaineer, and I can push my wife pretty well. The topo actually shows the trail skirting the NP boundary, so I was wondering about the legal issues more than anything. My dog loves the trail but it sounds like maybe a bit too much talus for him, and I'm not sure I want to carry him (60 lbs) for 300 feet.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby whrdafamI? » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:56 am

The new dog booties by Bark N Boots have a "dog version" Vibram sole and are pretty durable. Anyone who takes their dog into the Eastern Sierra's should really look into these for their friend. Sore foot pads on your dog can really spoil a trip. Ask me how I know.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby schmalz » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:23 pm

I've read that the ones with the soles aren't very comfortable for the dog and can lead to other problems. I picked up some that are fabric only (same type of fabric that backpacks are made with). They are apparently used a lot by mushers. I bring a few of these with me on all hikes and they are meant to be used in conjunction with liquid bandage and vetwrap when/if Callie starts having problems with her paws, which hasn't happened yet.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby ulu » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:39 pm

Do you know who makes these fabric booties? My dog wears the standard Petsmart ones, and he doesn't like them.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby schmalz » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:52 pm

I got mine here: https://www.dogbooties.com/shop/1000-de ... E-booties/

Keep in mind, I have not used these on the trail, so I cannot say for sure this is the best technique. This is what my research into the subject led me to.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby schmalz » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:00 pm

I should also mention that I plan on using Musher's Secret on my extended trips to avoid injury: http://www.amazon.com/Mushers-Secret-Pe ... ers+secret

I don't normally use this for hikes, but for an extended trip I think it might make a big difference.
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Re: Dog on Langley

Postby whrdafamI? » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:41 pm

Go ahead and use the fabric booties and see how long they don't last. For my dog the ones from Barking N Boots have been the answer. No problems and they last. The granite will tear those fabric booties up in no time. After that come the foot pads. Every dog I have seen reacts to booties the same way the first time you put them on. Looks like they are walking on eggs. Really funny to watch. In a matter of minutes its like they aren't even on their feet. They get used to them real quick. I would like to see where it is that you have heard of these hurting their feet?
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