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Re: Route Planning

Postby lambertiana » Mon May 07, 2012 10:58 pm

If you cross Crystal Pass to Crystal Lakes, it is an easy class 1 walk up to the ridge separating Crystal Lakes from Monarch Lakes. The descent on the north side, however, is a different story:
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Re: Route Planning

Postby RoguePhotonic » Mon May 07, 2012 11:10 pm

I see a couple options in that photo but it's hard to say what I will face. I'm pretty sure that whole face will be snow covered since I will be going down it June 5th. On the left side of the photo it looks like it might make for a good place to glissade to the bottom if it is solid snow.

Worst case I will drop to Crystal Lake and take the trail around which is 2.7 miles.
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Re: Route Planning

Postby RoguePhotonic » Tue May 08, 2012 1:26 pm

I have a question about Copper Mine Pass. The route I always planned to take over it is the Copper Mine Old route that skirts around peak 12,345. I was also considering climbing to the top of that peak for a nice view. The newer Copper Mine Pass or Copper Mine Secor looks extremely difficult or impossible from the Western side from all the photos I have of it. What sort of experience have any of you had between the new and old and is there an advantage to taking one or the other?

Copper Mine Old seems to offer better views to the South for sure.
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Re: Route Planning

Postby oldranger » Tue May 08, 2012 2:56 pm

Rogue,

Where are you going to and from where when you go over Coppermine? Going really near the peak that divides Deadman from Cloud and the Kaweah drainage was almost always my option--there is an obvious trail From Deadman to the ridge and almost to the peak then down the ridge between Cloud and the Kaweah drainage a ways before dropping down into Cloud. there is about a thousand feet of vertical that I never had a sense of where the old trail is in Cloud because it was almost always covered in snow when I did the route. Going up Cloud I could easily follow the trail (but never bothered to) up canyon until I got to the grove of foxtail pines that sets on the west slope of the canyon. At that point I would cut across the trail and followed the switchbacks up thru the foxtails and then the traverse to the south until I got to snow. At that point I just aimed toward the ridge just s. of the High Point of the old Coppermine Pass trail. I don't know what Secor suggested as an alternative but if it is the saddle to the n. of Coppermine between Deadman and Cloud it is not hard but not nearly as much fun as the the "real" Coppermine Pass. Don't accept substitutes! Also there is a really cool mineshaft nearly on the top of the peak/pass. You can get to it by following the faint trail that goes north from near the highpoint of the pass. There is a wooden winch in it and a hole in the side of the top of the shaft that you can peek thru and see Upper Cloud Canyon. One of these days I'll have to go thru my slides and post a pic or two of the area.

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Re: Route Planning

Postby RoguePhotonic » Tue May 08, 2012 3:28 pm

Well I will first be coming up from Lion Lake and moving East to West heading for Horn Col. Then several days later I am going to cross Elizabeth Pass and go over Copper Mine again on my way across the Whaleback. Might try to bag Triple Divide Peak along the way. The time frame will be the end of June and early July meaning snow cover. Sounds like the route I was planning is the way to go even if I cannot follow the old trail.

The other Copper Mine Pass is listed as class 2 yet on it's West side all my photos show very steep terrain and major cliffs with little options to get around. At what point is terrain not considered class 2 without rocks? So steep your forced to use your hands to stop from sliding down? If Half Dome was dirt it would be class 2?
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Re: Route Planning

Postby oldranger » Tue May 08, 2012 3:43 pm

Rogue,

Both directions you are going I would take the real Coppermine Pass. I don't think there will be much snow this year when you cross the area and any snow should not slow you down too much. From Lion Lake Pass/col just drop down to the tarn just below then traverse up toward Coppermine Peak/Pass. When going e do the reverse then traverse around to Glacier Lake (unless you plan on going down cloud Canyon). I did Secor's route once and it was a piece of cake, but like I said not nearly as much fun as the real thing.

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Re: Route Planning

Postby RoguePhotonic » Tue May 08, 2012 5:21 pm

Sounds like that is the way to go. I can't wait to get back out there!
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Re: Route Planning

Postby SandStorm » Tue May 08, 2012 6:44 pm

Interesting. I wasn't aware there were two Coppermine Passes. It's been a while since I was there, but Mike's description sounds like the way we used to go. Great view from all along that traverse. The pass itself is easy. I remember a crapload of loose scree on the West side. When we were there in 1998 there was a cornice on the East side and we ended up rapping down. But that was in early July of a very high snow year. Should be no problem.

I'm curious, where exactly is the "other" Coppermine Pass? Farther up Glacier Ridge?

I really love that area. Hoping to go back next summer.

By the way, killer itinerary, my friend. Love it. Best of luck.
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Re: Route Planning

Postby RoguePhotonic » Tue May 08, 2012 8:05 pm

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Re: Route Planning

Postby SandStorm » Tue May 08, 2012 8:50 pm

Ah, I see. In light of that, my comments are regarding "Coppermine Secor" after all. The traverse refers to Horn Col to Glacier Lake.

Thanks for posting that.
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Re: Route Planning

Postby Wandering Daisy » Thu May 10, 2012 6:02 pm

Why don't you mail yourself fuel c/o Parcher's resort? I am sure they would keep it there for you.

From Mammoth to Deer Lake - I would just go up the trail that goes by Crystal Crag. Roper's High Route via the ridge would be pretty miserable going up all that loose sand/ash. I came down it and was sure glad I was not going up! Once on the ridge via Crystal Crag trail, you could drop your pack and go north on the ridge for a while if you simply wanted to take some photos. It does have some nice views.

I am curious about getting from Anna Lake to Bettlebug Lake. I was considering the same last year but was reluctant to get my husband into tricky travel, when he really just wanted to fish. We had good luck fishing at Olive Lake. The trail from Fish Creek to Olive Lake was pretty faint, so I suspect the "trail" from Beetlebug Lake may also be quite overgrown.

Exactly how are you going to get from Roaring Fork to Talus Lake? I have been up Cunningham Creek and it is VERY steep, a bit brushy, but a direct route to Longly Pass. I went from Upper Cloud Canyon to just below Longly Pass in a day. There looked to be lots of talus to traverse from Talus Lake into the Cunningham drainage. I probably chose the worst route from Longly Pass to Reflection Lake. The route finding is really tricky. There are lots of small cliffs that do not show up on the map. I hope you have better luck than I did!

This year there are going to be a lot of dry creeks in northern Yosemite by late season. Be careful of water supply. I recall that Kerrick Creek where the trail crosses, north of Benson Lake, runs under talus and in late season you can hear the water but it is hard to reach it. My experience is that a lot of "permanant" streams on the map are not really permanant. The lakes are the only reliable water sources.
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Re: Route Planning

Postby RoguePhotonic » Thu May 10, 2012 7:21 pm

Why don't you mail yourself fuel c/o Parcher's resort? I am sure they would keep it there for you.


Parchers only accepts UPS and i'm not sure UPS will ship that stuff at all. Even when you find someone that will ship it you have to package it in all sorts of special ways.

From Mammoth to Deer Lake - I would just go up the trail that goes by Crystal Crag. Roper's High Route via the ridge would be pretty miserable going up all that loose sand/ash. I came down it and was sure glad I was not going up! Once on the ridge via Crystal Crag trail, you could drop your pack and go north on the ridge for a while if you simply wanted to take some photos. It does have some nice views.


Yeah that is the plan. I am no purist of routes but I do want to hike up there. I only plan to go to Deer Lakes because I plan to be in a motel room the night before and it's always nice to take your time and get some good food and hit the trail casually.

I am curious about getting from Anna Lake to Bettlebug Lake.


Yeah I am also. The way Maverick suggest up to the ridge was my plan already but the other side looks very steep on maps. I found one very odd photo of the lake that looks like it has an option for getting down. *One* anyway. Much of the Northern face of that ridge is solid granite.

Exactly how are you going to get from Roaring Fork to Talus Lake?


After crossing the Whaleback I am going to make my way over to Colby Lake and begin straight up to the lake that is at about 11,580 just to see it (anyone that has been there let me know if it's not worth it) and then I will move back down at an angle only dropping as low as I need to in order to get around the long ridge coming down from Midway Mountain and then head over to Talus Lake.

I have indeed heard bad things about coming down from Longely. I'll do my best but is there any established better way around Lake Reflection?

As for water i'll probably start carrying a third liter of water by the end.
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