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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby TehipiteTom » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:12 pm

Jimr wrote:I think I'm set on Tehipite Valley, up and back from Rancheria in four days. Do I need a roll of chicken wire to keep the marmots away from the hoses and wires?

When I did Tehipite I took 5 days: 2 in, 2 out, 1 layover to explore the valley. 4 days would have been too aggressive (much less fun) for me; YMMV.



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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby EasternSierra » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:20 pm

oldranger wrote:8 people? popular trip and holiday weekend plus dry year. If it was me I would make reservations. If max number of reservations are already made then you are likely to be SOOL by my calculations. You might take a chance if you can get reservations for part of your group. Don't know how SEKI works but if walk up permits are issued a day before then you would have to have someone arrive a day early if you can't make reservations.

When I used to hike out of Cedar you used to get your walk up permit on the day you started. Then they gave you the talk. then it was 9 am before you could start and every trail was dusty/sandy, and it was hotter than h---! starting at 5,00ft. elevation. I thought the permit process back then was pretty stupid. As a front country ranger back then I would wrangle a permit a couple of days early and start hiking on my friday after work, the trails were dusty/sandy and it was hotter than h---! After busting my butt for an hour and a half I would take a beer/water break, then continue hiking til after dark. I could go farther after work back then than I can go in a whole day now.

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Yeah, I wasn't inquiring about making reservation vs not reservations. Of course I'm going to make reservations. I'm inquiring if it makes a difference between mailing in the application on 3/1 vs faxing it in. I don't have a fax machine so to fax it I would have to go to FedEx Kinko's tomorrow which is kind of a pain. Are these spots so competitive that the wilderness reservations fill up on the first day and mailing in the application is stupid?
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby oldranger » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:44 pm

Ok so If it was me (and given my experience trying to get a reservation out of Tuolumne meadows the first day they were available for the date I was interested in) I would find a friend with a fax and start trying to fax at 1201 tomorrow morning. Anybody who wants a reservation anytime during the summer will be trying to get through. All you need is one or two multi person parties to get in ahead of you to miss out on your reservation.

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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby TehipiteTom » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:07 am

Aside from a few shorter trips (starting Memorial Day, if the dry winter holds) and a trip up in the Cascades with my son, I'm planning to do a 6-day solo trip in SeKi, probably in early July. Current plan is a mostly off-trail Tablelands loop (Lodgepole-->Little Lakes-->Crescent Lake-->Box Canyon-->West Ferguson-->Moose Lake-->out).

But I'm also toying with the idea of a shuttle trip (for which I'd obviously need someone else along) from Big Meadow to Roads End, mostly following the route of Brewer's party in 1864. It's a less highlight-intensive trip, but I need to do it sometime before 2014, and if the creeks are low that might make this year the best shot.

So, still thinking about it...
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby Troutdog 59 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:28 pm

Looking at 4, possibly 5 pack trips of various duration, but I typically end up doing less than I have planned just because other ideas for family activities always pop up.

All depends on the actual snow pack at the time, but I'm thinking of a lower elevation overnighter (maybe 2 nights) in May. That little trip troll that gets in my head this time of year is arguing for a trip to a small stream reported to have one of Californias rarest of trout sub species. Its low elevation (~7,800') could make it open even earlier, but the streams are off limits in this area until 4/28.

Looking at a 5 day trip in June with my son up the So Fk of the San Joaquin to visit that little lake at the end. If it snows much more the So Fk will be too high then, and we will option for some lakes in the general vicinity. Hoping to get an early peek at some goldens.

July is looking like the month for my bigger trip of the summer, an 8 day trip out of Wishon with a friend at work into KCNP. :D In August I will do the family camping trip to Mono Hot Springs for 4 nights, and then do a 3 or 4 day trip with my daughter and possibly son somewhere around the Silver Divide. Thats likley it, but I wouldnt mind doing a September trip in search of those fall spawning brookies or browns, but who knows.

On a side note, I find all of the talk about it being too late to get permits in various areas a bit amusing. I havent backpacked out of the east side since 2001, in fact I have only even been on the east side 5 times since then and two trips were winter ski trips. I know alot of you dont like the west side trailheads because of the extended forest sections, etc, but I havent made a reservation in over 10 years and have never missed my alloted trail head or trip even once. I'll admit my schedule allows me to start off on Thursdays or Fridays quite often, but the thought of all the permits being gone already doesnt really seem that appealing. Just saying!!!
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby sparky » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:55 am

Going to be in colorado for a family reunion, so im planning a hike there. I researched informationon the area via the internet. I remember I used to just drive to a national forest in the road atlas, buy a forest map and go from there. Its nice to be able to zoom in on topos, gps to the trailhead ect...and pictures!!! Im going to do a loop in the Flat Top Wilderness in kind of NW central CO. Looks cool with some lakes....

Ill be doing my annual yosemite trip in june....might be may this year!

I really hope i can squeeze in more trips....i live in riverside county so i have big drives.
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby Ikan Mas » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:28 pm

I will be doing the North Lake-Piute Pass-Evolution Valley-Bishop Pass-South Lake and back to North Lake loop in mid August. Navigated the on-line permit system and got my permit the other day. :)

With this one put to bed, I have been working on a second long trek loop starting and ending at Snoqualmie Pass in Washington. There is some spectacular country there and I'm itching to see it. Probably more mileage, but less elevation.

If the snow remains light, probably a couple other trips. Kibbie Lake with some friends over June 1. I'm trying to make the most of this years' lack of the white stuff.
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby mokelumnekid » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:10 pm

Ikan- we've had plenty of snow up here in Washington this year, so maybe save that part of your trip for the end. And as always up here, bring LOTS of bug repellent of all types.
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby Ikan Mas » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:04 pm

M-Kid:

Planning to hit Alpine Lakes after Labor Day, just to avoid the crowds. Looks like good weather should be had in mid-September. I will bring lots of bug repellant; I've had some nasty experiences with wasps as well as mosquitos in the great northwet.

We're looking at Snoqualmie Pass -- Gravel Lake -- Spectacle Lake -- Waptus Lake -- Spade Lake -- Ivanhoe Lake -- down the middle Fork of the Snoqualimie -- Goldmyer Hot Springs -- Snow Lake -- back to Snoqualmie Pass. Looks like a nice loop, but a few more miles that desireable. Any comments you may have would be appreciated.
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby Jimr » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:02 pm

Jimr wrote:I think I'm set on Tehipite Valley, up and back from Rancheria in four days. Do I need a roll of chicken wire to keep the marmots away from the hoses and wires?



When I did Tehipite I took 5 days: 2 in, 2 out, 1 layover to explore the valley. 4 days would have been too aggressive (much less fun) for me; YMMV.


Yeah, I have 5 days allotted for the trip. Hope to get to Cow Meadow on the first day. A long haul, but that's how I do it. Get in fast the first day, past the casual over-nighters, then slow down.
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby TehipiteTom » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:48 pm

Jimr wrote:
Jimr wrote:I think I'm set on Tehipite Valley, up and back from Rancheria in four days. Do I need a roll of chicken wire to keep the marmots away from the hoses and wires?



When I did Tehipite I took 5 days: 2 in, 2 out, 1 layover to explore the valley. 4 days would have been too aggressive (much less fun) for me; YMMV.


Yeah, I have 5 days allotted for the trip. Hope to get to Cow Meadow on the first day. A long haul, but that's how I do it. Get in fast the first day, past the casual over-nighters, then slow down.

Ah, okay--that makes more sense. Tehipite Valley is definitely worth a day in its own right.

One suggestion: you might think about continuing a couple miles beyond Cow Meadow the first day, to Rodgers Creek. It makes for a shorter second day, and Rodgers Creek is the best campsite between the trailhead and Tehipite. (I don't recommend camping anywhere in the Crown Valley watershed--intensive cattle & packstock use leave the water somewhat unappetizing, if you know what I mean.) IIRC, I went further than that my first day, and camped near BM 7456--a knoll off the trail where you can get your first glimpse of Tehipite Dome. The stream near there might not be running, though (unless you do it really early in the season); past Rodgers Creek, all the streams on the map have fairly low watershed high points, so the snow that feeds them melts relatively early in the season.
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Re: Prospects for the summer, 2012

Postby Jimr » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:28 pm

Looking at the map, I meant Hay Meadow. A long first day, but Rogers Creek looks good as well. It will be sometime in July or early Aug (dog days of summer). My reservations just came today, but I don't know which of my picks they gave me. Does Rogers Cr. tend to dry up or just the creeks beyond?
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