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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby RobertD » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:53 am

Nope, not that far, we are going to stick around Lillian and the smaller lakes around it. Nothing more than the loop this time, maybe Flat lake is the furthest.



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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby rlown » Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:52 am

Just a quick note on itinerary. If you choose to go over Post Peak Pass (or Isberg Pass) you'll need to use a bear canister, as we you will then have crossed into Yosemite National Park, where they are required.


robnsuzyq wrote:Nope, not that far, we are going to stick around Lillian and the smaller lakes around it. Nothing more than the loop this time, maybe Flat lake is the furthest.


So, how are you planning to protect the bears from your food, if not taking a bear can? Bears love Mountain House Beef Stroganoff even more than we do! :D
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby balzaccom » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:15 pm

Somewhere in these posts he said he was going to hang his food in a tree...
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby RobertD » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:17 pm

Well, if I read the requirement right, its not a high bear area, and not required to can it. Also, after talking to the REI people (customers and staff) they recommended the odor bags, so i bought a bunch of those, and am going to double bag the food and hang it? Along with all the fun stuff like tolietries and meds and such.
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby markskor » Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:18 pm

robnsuzyq wrote:... after talking to the REI people (customers and staff) they recommended the odor bags, so i bought a bunch of those...


Agree that hanging food (once the way things were done) still works, but, in the Sierra, using the spirit of today's "save the bear by using a bear can" mentality, most here would probably still opt to carry the can on your intended route. But, if skilled and lucky; so be it.

In regard to those odor bags, well, not really convinced that they do anything as odors, just from handling the bag, negate the intended purpose. It is the hang - not the smell.

And in regard to REI people and their opinions - Just got back from my local REI and overheard one "expert" telling a gentleman there that Leki poles (twist locks) are far preferred over Black Diamond (flick locks) because he was tall and heavy - told him Leki's are better for that type. :puke:
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby rlown » Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:26 pm

ditto what Mark said. If you hang it wrong, it doesn't matter if it doesn't smell. It then becomes a bear toy.

At least with a bear can, you're pretty sure you'll still have food if they walk through. It used to be fun watching the bears try and reach the food hanging on the old cables.

If I recall, Mark once tried to volunteer his services at REI. They said he was too old and they preferred younger, more energetic types. Idiots.
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby balzaccom » Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:35 pm

Yes--I recently heard a staff member at REI telling someone that it was "always warmer" to sleep nude in a down bag, as opposed to putting on clothes and then sleeping in the bag.

Makes you wonder.
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby Cross Country » Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:49 pm

I, personally found that to be absolute true. Not so for the other bags I had. The problem to sleeping in the nude is when you have to take a pee, WOW - how uncomfortable was that? - VERY.
Nude in down bags is how we slept on this long trip. We had (of course) sleeping bags that zipped together. Two people sleeping like that is very warm -- hallelujah!
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby ManOfTooManySports » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:44 pm

I heard decades ago that the idea of nude sleeping was to avoid being in clothes that get damp and clammy in your bag. I tried it and it didn't seem to make much of a difference. Except that I developed a preference for sleeping in the buff. Go figure.

As for the midnight pee, you have to go fast before you get too cold. :D
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby RobertD » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:41 pm

Well, all set, all equipment bought and staged. Food for 5 days is 13 lbs. Breakfast lunch and dinner, with snacks. We ran our packs on a test run 20lbs in each for five miles and they worked awesome.

Packs yet to be filled and weighed but going to keep wifes under 25 and hopefully mine under 35.

The weather forecast is now saying possible thunderstorms. Is that a concern for lightening? If so, best location to camp it out? Deep in a forest? Thoughts? I am bringing some really thin tarping so i can put a shelter up over the tent, no biggie, but the lightening is concerning....
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby AlmostThere » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:17 pm

markskor wrote:
And in regard to REI people and their opinions - Just got back from my local REI and overheard one "expert" telling a gentleman there that Leki poles (twist locks) are far preferred over Black Diamond (flick locks) because he was tall and heavy - told him Leki's are better for that type. :puke:


Perhaps he was basing that on the Backpacker magazine article that stated twist locks hold up under more weight/force than the flick locks.

At least that shows he did some sort of research.

I love my twist lock poles - but they are not Big Name Brand poles and do not have the same twist lock apparatus. Gossamer Gear rocks my socks off.
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Re: Lillian Lake Loop next month

Postby rlown » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:43 pm

robnsuzyq wrote:The weather forecast is now saying possible thunderstorms. Is that a concern for lightening? If so, best location to camp it out? Deep in a forest? Thoughts? I am bringing some really thin tarping so i can put a shelter up over the tent, no biggie, but the lightening is concerning....


If your tent doesn't have a rain fly, and you are going to tarp over it, it sounds like you'll be in the trees anyway. I don't think you have to worry too much about the lightning, as long as you don't pitch your tent up on a bare granite knoll. Just don't be the highest thing around.
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