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Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby Stevendanger75 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:29 pm

I apologize for having two Trip Suggestion threads up at the same time, but I need to plan a Trip from June 30th to July 5th in the Sierra. I will be leading a moderately experienced group into the Sierra, however we do not want to have to deal with copious quantities of snow, if even possible during the specified dates. I was considering the Golden Trout Wilderness as a possible area, but I am open to all suggestions.

Group Exp:
Level 3

Terrain:
Up to class 3
Streams
Moderate Snow

Main interests:
Fishing
Lakes
Trails free of snow

Nights:
4-6

Miles:
Up to 10 day, at least 2 layover days

Both Loop and Out and Back are fine

No Particular area and no dogs


Thank you in advance!
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby AlmostThere » Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:18 pm

Firstly, you want to go to the Sierra. (No S necessary.)

Secondly, anything above 7,500 feet or so, there will be snow, increasing in depth the higher you go. So the distances you want to do probably aren't really feasible for anywhere central Sierra. Our dayhikes are starting to be turned around by high water, too, so wherever you are downslope from snow, you get to contend with melting snow.

Not sure what to tell you - some of the lower elevation options I would consider for my own trips are now too hot for pleasurable hiking. Henry Coe would accommodate the duration and miles you want, but it's also heating up fast and water sources tend to dry up when that happens.

Most of Golden Trout - except for the northerly part where it starts to climb - sounds like a good bet.
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby DoyleWDonehoo » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:53 pm

The only fully dry route where you can do multi-days deep into the Sierra is the South Sierra. Either:
1) From Lloyd Meadows TH, over the Little Kern River bridge and thence follow the trails into the canyon and headwaters of the Little Kern River. There may still may be some wet stream crossings.
2) From Lloyd Meadows TH, over the Little Kern River bridge and thence to Trout Meadows RS camps (fishing nearby), then to the Kern River Canyon (fishing) and on to Kern Lakes (fishing) and on into SEKI at the Kern River RS. You can keep going up the canyon, but Rattlesnake Creek will be tricky but not impossible to cross (head up-stream for a log). A good hike.
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Heading Down into the Kern River Canyon, early season.
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby Stevendanger75 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:07 am

Thank you both for the information, I really appreciate it. I also fixed my mistake.

Doyle:

I researched and viewed your suggested route (number 2) on a topographic map and I really like it. I still need to calculate how many miles it will be as well as if it will be a loop or out-and-back trip. The only loop I was thinking of would be to head west from Kern River Ranger Station and then continue south towards Coyote Lakes. However, I feel that the elevation would allow this area to retain much of it's snow during early July, though I don't know for certain. Could you provide some insight on this?

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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby Cross Country » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:46 pm

Read my suggestion under "Trip advice July 3-10" I'm pretty sure it would your best option.
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby DoyleWDonehoo » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:52 pm

Stevendanger75 wrote:I researched and viewed your suggested route (number 2) on a topographic map and I really like it. I still need to calculate how many miles it will be as well as if it will be a loop or out-and-back trip. The only loop I was thinking of would be to head west from Kern River Ranger Station and then continue south towards Coyote Lakes. However, I feel that the elevation would allow this area to retain much of it's snow during early July, though I don't know for certain. Could you provide some insight on this?

As for the miles, I don't know exactly offhand. I will say that there is established camping at the Little Kern River Bridge, but you can easily make it to Trout Meadows in a single day. There is excellent camping at Trout meadows, a picnic table and a spring/spigot with good water. Make sure you have a map and compass going from Garlic Meadow to the bridge, as there are a number of trails: Rule of thumb, take the right fork OBVIOUS main trails on the way down to the bridge. If you get down to the Little Kern and there is no bridge, you took the wrong trail.
From Trout M. to the Kern River, the route is obvious: Make some noise near meadows, lots of bears in the area. It only takes a couple of hours to get to the Kern from Trout M. Easy walking, and several excellent (packer) camps along the way, as well as pipe water at one (of the many) meadow(s).
Once along the Kern river, the camping opportunities are legion.
If you want to avoid snow, going towards Coyote Lakes is not an option. (There IS a X-C sheep route to Coyote Lakes in the area of Kern Lakes: not recommended.
I would say conditions are nearly two months behind normal.
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby Stevendanger75 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:12 pm

Doyle:

Thank you once again for the information. I assume this is going to be an out-and-back trip and I will skip out on Coyote Lakes. How is the fishing at the Kern Lakes?

BTW: I really like your website and find it very helpful. I have your "Deadman Canyon Loop" page favorited and have been using it for the past few months to plan an early August trip through Deadman Canyon. The information that you provide has been instrumental in the developement and details of this trip.
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby DoyleWDonehoo » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:21 pm

Glad you like Sierra Trails! As to your question, I don't fish, but I do mooch. Fishermen seem to like the fishing at Kern Lakes (among the few people I have seen in the area).
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby Stevendanger75 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:44 am

Ok here is what I came up with as information for my friends. Please notify me of any corrections I should make:



Number of Nights: 6

Total Miles: 50.68

Description: Start at Lloyd Meadows Trailhead in the Southern Sierra (Golden Trout Wilderness area), drop down into Kern River Canyon and continue up to Kern Flat. We will then climb out of the canyon and continue through Trout Meadows and up to the Kern Lakes and the Kern River Ranger Station. This is where we will spend a layover day fishing and exploring the area that extends 10 miles up past the Ranger Station. We will then backtrack the entire route back to the car.

Day Breakdown

1. Drive to Trail Head, hike 2.4 (Kern Canyon) or preferably 8.04 (Kern Flat) miles to first camp site. Spend Night there.
2. Hike 6.04 miles from Kern Flat to Trout Meadows Ranger Station. Spend Night there.
3. Hike 8.58 miles to Little Kern Lake. Spend Night there.
4. Layover day. Spend day at Kern River Ranger Station (2.84 Miles North) or at Kern lake fishing and exploring the Meadow and surrounding wilderness. Spend Night at Little Kern Lake.
5. Spend Extra day around the Kern Lakes and Ranger Station. Hike back towards Funston Meadow in search of remote fishing if desired. OR hike 8.58 miles back to Trout Meadows. Spend night at either one.
6. Hike to Kern Flat (14.22 from Little Kern Lake) or to the Start of Kern Canyon (11.68 Miles from Trout Meadows). Spend night at either one.
7. Hike back to car 5.64 or 2.4 Miles. Drive home and spend night in bed.
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby Stevendanger75 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:07 am

I am in the process of planning an alternate route in case we are unable to cross at Forks of the Kern. I Am thinking we park at Jerky Meadow TH and going straight to Trout Meadows. There is a Little Kern crossing on a 'stockbridge' according to my Topo. Does anyone have any insight on this trail/area/crossing?

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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby DoyleWDonehoo » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:38 pm

Yup, there is a bridge. See below.
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Re: Beating the Snow Trip Suggestion

Postby Cross Country » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:08 pm

I just read the BACKCOUNTRY CONDITIONS UPDATES and it just validates what I already thought. For backing in early (maybe all of) July, Doyle WD's suggestion of the Kern is a good one. My suggestion of Laurel, Bearup, Edith and the Lake below is a good one too. Trying to get something from something that isn't there leads to disappointing, really difficult (too difficult) trips. My advice is take what nature leaves (gives) you and enjoy it. I always enjoyed what nature let me have and never tried to wrench from her what isn't there just yet. Patience's is a virtue. Persistence is best used intelligently. I've been persistent to a fault but rarely went the wrong place in the Sierra because of snow conditions. Choose your destinations intelligently. There are some GREAT places to go in the Sierra below the high Sierra. I believe that sometime in August and most of September will be a good time for the high Sierra. If you really enjoy snow camping, get going right now to the high country. You've probably already spent many nights in the backcountry hiking (or skiing) and camping in the snow.
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